TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #21

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  1. rodee34

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  2. cady

    cady Well-Known Member

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    Break in the door but don't enter and then drive around or sit til kill time and enter with no problem at 3:50. JMO
     
  3. gliving

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    Welcome to Websleuths hch2123! Your theory is one of my top theories also. It's not a popular one here, but at Websleuths, we welcome all opinions.

    :daisy:
     
  4. arkansasmimi

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    I know that I personally learned to copy paste stuff in a word doc with link, because those rascals will update, and change stuff on ya * also copy date/time. JMHO could be what happen there. Seen it happen time and time again.
     
  5. KaaBoom

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    I believe a "couple of minutes", generally means about two minutes. If I was trying to express 30 - 45 minutes, I would say "about half an hour&#8221;, not a "couple of minutes". IMHO anything over 30 minutes is not a couple of minutes, even by a stretch.

    I agree about the outdoor cameras.
     
  6. 1&2&3

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    Does the church actually have cameras outside? We have heard they weren't working, so that makes me wonder are they really there? Or, was that just something we were told so the community bad boys would think they had them?

    After breaking in, would it be possible for the perp to have found the control room and turned the outside cameras off? The inside cameras were left on as the alarm was in them. S/he may have had knowledge of how this system worked. With this system the church had, what did it take to set the alarm off?

    The system certainly didn't work too well, did it?

    My opinions only.
     
  7. cady

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    Kinda like the report that she was "shot".............JMO
     
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    Why did the swat perp choose the church to make his/her kill? If the mission was just to kill Missy, why didn't they just pass her on the highway & fire a shot into her truck & kill her on what was almost very certainly a deserted street at that time of day? Or shoot her as she pulled out of her driveway? I know we have talked about the likelihood of a gun being traced. However, the gun must be found before it can be traced. It would be as easy to dispose of gun as it would be to dispose of bloody clothing. IMO, the killer wanted the kill to be up close & personal for whatever reason. It would not surprise me if the killer told Missy why he/she was killing her. Also, SP was also confident that they had the strength to overpower Missy if she fought for her life.
    All is JMO, IMO,MOO.
     
  9. PoirotryInMotion

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    Re: Batbrat post with photos and measurements (T20, p41, #604): what a great post!

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-20&p=12576774#post12576774

    LE press conf Friday May 20 stated Swatperp was now estimated to be 5'2 to 5'7" - and I agree with you (Batbrat) that the 5'2" seems a bit low and the range unnecessarily broad (especially since they obviously could get in there and measure those doors). TX building code has nonresidential or commercial doors interior doors at 7'0" or 84" (OR, less commonly, 6'8" or 80"). I'm not sure what to make of LE's 5'2" measurement except, as TeaTime has said, maybe they are more interested in putting the squeeze on their POI than in relaying accurate information. I really think with having access to the site that they would (and possibly DO) have this narrowed down, more.

    Thread 1 deductions about Swatperp's height were based on TX building codes (without onsite measuring) and using 84" tall doors came up with anywhere from 5'3" to 5'8":

    P15 #13 - Estimation using TX code door ht (rough eyeballing) = about 5'3":
    Bldng code TX - nonresidential doors usually 84" - in photo perp only comes up 3/4 way. Looks more like 5'3" (3/4 pf 84" = 63").
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...AT-gear-18-April-2016&p=12479344#post12479344

    P34 #502 - Estimation using fire extinguisher box = 5'7" to 5'8" tops:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...AT-gear-18-April-2016&p=12481119#post12481119

    P36 #529 - Estimation using door handle placement = 5'6":
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...AT-gear-18-April-2016&p=12481186#post12481186
     
  10. Phoebeb

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    Yes, and perp would have been able to see police activity at the church from the SWFA parking lot at 2am.
     
  11. arkansasmimi

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    There is only one driveway.... :silly: how did the perp get there to park on the north side if didn't come through the drive way from Hwy 287? *Plus JMHO MB went through the same side door entrance near her truck. Not walk around the front of the church and open that door. But that JMHO.

    ** ETA, Please do not think I was being snarky. I think sometimes I over think things and that what made me think of. Hugs Mimi
     
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    I wonder how much they allowed for the boots and helmet? A couple of inches?
     
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    Agree.........and think the confined space of the church more easily insured Ms. Bevers had no where to run. Killer wanted her confined, as much as possible. Killer no where near as able-bodied as Ms. Bevers. And I believe the costume was as much for protection as it was disguise. It's already warm .....time for shorts and short sleeves. Wouldn't do to be all bruised and scratched up, now would it??????????
     
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    Not likely if it is true that they were only stopped there for a "few" minutes. JMO
     
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    I appreciate your posts and conversation and you bring up some great points. I know my husband would be applauding right now bc he has told me the same thing about tunnel vision and rabbit holes! So yes. I totally understand and respect what you are saying and your opinion. In regards to LE not needing our sleuth ideas, I don't think people on this site are calling in sleuthing tips or at least I would hope not unless it was based in factual knowledge and I would hope it wouldn't be posted here but passed along discreetly to LE. I agree that they have the best of the best helping them which is why I can't help but find the Altima image interesting and have difficulty believing that after a month LE still has no idea who it could belong to with all the resources available to them. I guess I don't really know what else there is new to discuss so back down the rabbit hole I go, and I do not mean that in a snarky way at all, I really understand and respect what you are saying :):). Although this is my husband right now and possibly others reading my posts :doh:
     
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    Simple: the only way he could have known anything about the operation of the cameras, is if he had inside information, not only to the church, but specifically to the security camera system. That would be highly unlikely I think.

    Second, I don&#8217;t think it is rare for buildings not to be alarmed. Security alarm systems are expensive. I believe they are only common in high risk locations, such as the gun store.
     
  17. SandyQLS

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    Thanks! I knew I was not the only one who saw a wall. I can see it both ways. To see it as Hwy 287, each side of the divided highway is also separately elevated, with a grassy media depression in between. The bottom of the 'wall' is the lowest point in the depression, the 'wall' is the far upside of the median. The south bound lanes of the 287 are elevated above the sloped gray part of the SWFA driveway which is where the taillights reflected on the water. .... Your great point is that there is a camera mounted not on a pole but at a level to take a photo of every license plate entering or exting the SWFA driveway, which agrees with what poster texasgirl2 and her husband saw in their drive-through of the SWFA property. .... Does anyone else see a less-reflective whiteout area with a heart-shaped top over the license plate? And only the two bottom corner edges of the plate are visible beyond this whiteout area? IMO It looks like either LE whited out the plate number, or the driver put something over the plate.
     

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    I still think SP never left the scene, I think they either ran off & got outta that get up & once the commotion started inside they just came outta no where & blended in with the other campers ~OR~ they jetted back out the door they came in, got outta the get up & got in their car & came around the building, from same direction as the enter/exit drive, pulled in & again just blended in with others. Remember it was raining that morning, pretty steady & hard from what I remember reading, if I was a early camper sitting in my car, probably looking at my phone, like I always do while waiting, I would not have noticed where another car came from, I'd just maybe see headlights, glance up & see that they were coming from the direction of the drive, even though I never really saw them actually pull in the entrance, if that makes sense.
    And iirc the camera that caught Missy's truck pulling in was inside the church foyer, her headlights activated the camera. If another car did pull in before Missy this camera probably did not activate because of the heavy rain & that car's headlights never pointed towards the doors the way Missy's did as she pulled around the semi-circle driveway under the awning, she would've been much closer than other car just driving through parking lot.


    The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.
     
  19. PoirotryInMotion

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    Good point--that may explain the broader range given, Cags.
     
  20. arkansasmimi

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    They would have only activated if in a room where camera is. We don't know if there is a camera in the Kitchen area or not. If not then they would first be picked up on whatever camera their motion activated a camera. That just information we do not have.
     
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