TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

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  • #801
It's really nice to Cags back and posting some polls. So, looks like most of us voted that MB was a target at Creek Side Church. Male/female perp more split down the middle. This case is perplexing and I post less but enjoy reading. It's way to easy to fall behind on this thread. Happy hump day!

Awww, thanks Obs. Sometimes I need to put myself on a little time out on some threads, this one's driven me mad at times! I'll do the QP results at the beginning of thread #31 (Really? How did we get this far and still know nada?!)
 
  • #802
This is my third try to create an enhanced image of the SP. Each time, I have used slightly different video sources/frames. The other two attempts are located at Thread #23, Post 941, and Threat #25, Post #715.

That said, I know many are pretty tired of attempts to enhance the SP’s face. And many, including myself, do worry that some of the results are more examples of "pareidolia" rather than good images. This is probably unsurprising, however, given that the source materials available to the public are fairly low quality (nor do we likely have access to the best techniques LE has).

Even so, the fact that the SP appears on camera – while looking straight at the camera for several moments – makes it nearly impossible to stop trying, even if it is ultimately a losing proposition, based on the hope that maybe, just maybe, some useful and valid image could be discerned. As such, and ever since I saw Sparky’s former and striking avatar, I’ve been trying hard myself to recreate something similarly compelling given what we do have available. In particular, I wanted to see if I could create something close to Sparky's avatar given that I did not know the precise frame/source/methods used to derive it. (I think my third attempt actually reaches a pretty similar result, however, which I find encouraging.)

My eventual hope is that the “best of” such attempts will at least give some insight into what the SP does or does not look like. At a minimum, someone who really doesn’t match any of the different images would seem to be an unlikely suspect, absent some facial disguise we aren’t aware of---

As before, I’ve made a tutorial video showing how I derived the image:

https://youtu.be/GEcE6XyW838

Thanks,

Mr. X
 

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  • #803
Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:....
People also assume that burglary suspects park where the point of entry (break-in) occurred. Rarely is that the case. The point of exit is normally where the perp is parked....

^ bbm sbm. ZVEDVA. A (belated) welcome to Websleuths. Thx for your posts.

This ^ comment about where a person would tend to park makes sense to me and may be a very important point. A person who plans a crime (whether intended action is burglary or injuring/killing another) would want to be able - esp w possibility of interruption - to make a quick getaway. Logical that a person would park near intended pt of exit. Wearing/carrying LE gear indicates SP is a planner. Organized on some level. Thus having an accurate floorplan/graphic of bldg may help our analysis. The FP's already posted may allow us to answer the parking issue. IDK. JM2cts.
 
  • #804
Oh, I understand that push bar setup. But there is a feature to them, often, that maybe you and daughter aren't familiar with. The mechanism to open the door with a push, on a push bar, can be disabled with some sort of locking mechanism. For security purposes in a commercial building, you don't want your premises accessible as easily as someone bashing a hole and pushing the bar, so this is the answer to that problem.

In fact, they have such a setup on the doors at my church. You can push the push bars to get out, during hours they are open. But after hours, according to a timer set by a system setup, all those push bars become disabled, and you can go to a door and push, but it won't disengage the lock to allow the door to open.

In addition, if we consider the damage to the kitchen door, it suggests that the push bar there had been disabled in such a manner. The perp smashed the window, but apparently that smash-reach-push did no good, and it appears he had to pry off the lock itself in order to be able to get in.

That might also suggest our perp was someone who wasn't a burglar who knew what to expect with such a door, or at least not a very experienced one. He might have been like your daughter, who only knew that every time the bar is pushed, the door opens. But, not being aware that if in the building after hours, it won't.

I agree I had thought the push bars were electronically disabled with the security system and that's why the handle had to be pried off. But fire safety requires a button override on ours. If it is after hours and the doors are inoperable, there is a button on the wall you push so they will open. Doesn't help if you're trying to break in but if you're already in you can get out. And not all the doors have the button override.
 
  • #805
Is anyone aware of transcripts for all of BB's interviews? I could only find one (or maybe two) in the media thread. I am looking for a very specific quote.

I spent my run last night listening to BB talk to the media. Help me.
 
  • #806
I'm new to websleuths and this case is what made me join up. I hoped the perp would have been caught by now and I'm hoping that the quietness around it lately is because they know who it is and are gathering everything they need to arrest the perp. I haven't had anyone in mind who I think it could be, but I enjoy reading everyone's theory's. You guys have some great sleuthing skills. :)

:welcome:

Enjoy
 
  • #807
Is anyone aware of transcripts for all of BB's interviews? I could only find one (or maybe two) in the media thread. I am looking for a very specific quote.

I spent my run last night listening to BB talk to the media. Help me.

You need to discover iTunes GA PEACH!!! Much healthier release.
ETA- just looking out for our WS friends. Roll those endorphins.

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  • #808
Does anyone else notice a sudden change of posting (eg. ppl coming in with rumors and not-allowed social media) happening with almost predictable regularity on these threads whenever the discussion takes a new and interesting turn?

Sorry for sounding suspicious...but I am (after 30 threads of this).

Can you be more specific? What new and interesting turn in discussion? I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I've just been skimming to catch up and am wondering what topic you're referring to.
 
  • #809
I work in a large commercial building and during non-work hours, we need to swipe a card to unlock the outside door when coming into the building. Going out, we just push the bar. Someone could break the glass and pull the bar from the outside. I believe this is quite common.

I recently used a church facility for a graduation event. To lock up, we used a hex key to lock the push bar. We were still able to exit by pushing the bar, but the exterior mechanism was inoperable.
 
  • #810
If you look at the floor in the video you can see the glare from the lights above on the tile. Would be interesting to know if they were motion activated

Thanks, that's what I thought I remembered seeing! Good to know someone else saw it, too.
 
  • #811
I agree I had thought the push bars were electronically disabled with the security system and that's why the handle had to be pried off. But fire safety requires a button override on ours. If it is after hours and the doors are inoperable, there is a button on the wall you push so they will open. Doesn't help if you're trying to break in but if you're already in you can get out. And not all the doors have the button override.

Why not just enter through the NE glass doors which were also broken? And why damage the kitchen window which seemed too high off the ground to climb through. There seems to be some unnecessary and unexplained damage to the exterior in addition to the damage done to interior doors.
 
  • #812
This one is my opinion but I also think LE may not have every person who ties in to this plan/motive and trying to obtain solid proof of all.

CMC, I was shocked how many still think this was interrupted burglary. Can you do a poll to see where we split on burglary and planned murder? TYIA!

I agree with this - investigation is ongoing, one or more perps in their sights; investigators still digging and connecting new dots along the way, still doing surveillance, and putting a complicated whole together before bringing it to the DA.

And yes on the new poll idea! (Catching up; will look for it.)
 
  • #813
BB seems worried about relatively insignificant money in that People quote. JMO I have all kinds of problems with an insurer saying this if the premiums were paid timely and an unexpected death occurred, there should be an extension or transfer clause, not a sudden "That's it, too bad!" at the moment of the primary's death regarding continuation for dependents.

Doesn't BB work for a family business? I'm surprised the business doesn't offer health insurance to employees. I have no idea how large or small the business is; however, if it's family, then family is impacted by whether or not they're insured.
 
  • #814
It's my belief, MT is saying the converstion with BB was SUNDAY morning, not Monday morning.


Ok, but that's not what she said, but we can certainly agree to disagree!

I know what you are saying and you're correct, that's what MT said. However, IMO it's not what MT meant.

To clarify, I was stating that I agree with David21t, and like David2t1, I believe MT was actually trying to say that her and BB just had the coversation about BB being worried about MB the day before MB was murdered and it was before anything had happened.
 
  • #815
Doesn't BB work for a family business? I'm surprised the business doesn't offer health insurance to employees. I have no idea how large or small the business is; however, if it's family, then family is impacted by whether or not they're insured.

Supposedly....but he was very bummed when Missys self pay insurance for herself and kids was cut off after she died. He was hoping that it would pay for "counseling" for the children.......Amazing that his insurance, if he had it, did not cover his whole family. JMO
 
  • #816
how was SP going to exit SW corner?

I would imagine from from earlier posts that SP would use the push bar to open the door. The doors can be locked from the outside but a push will let them out. I do believe this is where SP exited the building. Time will tell.

Maybe, but maybe not. The way these fire doors are designed (with push-bars called panic hardware on doors) makes them operate one of three ways:

1) locked from the outside; operable from the inside

2) locked from the outside; locked from the inside

3) unlocked from both sides


Typically the janitor (or other person entrusted with security) is in charge of opening up one entrance in the morning (eg. The main front entrance on the west side of the church). That would be #3 in the above list, to allow people to come and go.

The other doors for security purposes remain locked from the outside for the rest of the day, but are unlocked on the inside for exit during the day (per fire code). That is situation #1 above.

When the building is locked up for the night, the person in charge of security usually locks the doors doubly - they are locked from the outside as in #2, but also locked from the inside (situation #2).

My TX commercial builder source tells me that sometimes this double-locking system is not applied to the innermost set of firedoors in a vestibule situation - eg. If a janitor props open a door to let a wet floor or vestibule area mat dry. But in his experience commercial structures with exterior doors with panic hardware are routinely double-locked as in #2 - because otherwise, all someone would have to do to enter is break the glass, push on the panic bars, and open the doors wide. If the metal structure of the doors stays locked in place at night, the glass may be broken and someone might gain entry...but the locked metal left structures will still slow down the theft process. And if the door has only a SMALL bit of glass, human entry and exit would be prohibitive unless:

1) you're a fireman and know the code or have the special fire key that unlocks this system, or

2) you're tough and strong like one and have breaching tools and training like they do to hack off the exterior handle, and reach in and manually manipulate the locking pins. *Not many people have this expertise, let alone strength.
 
  • #817
SteveS, please see my replies to your statements below in blue font. Once again this proves why LE does not release information to the public without an absolute need. People have a tendency of 'making up' a version of events that they think are true..

The ideas you are being so derisive of in this statement, are not mine at all. They are your own previous "thoughts" and assertions on this case, and I was just asking questions about them to see how you can make them add up. No gotcha approach was intended, I was just wanting clarification. But if you now derisively tell me they are sub-par ideas that don't fit the facts, and that LE would never endorse, that kinda tells me what I need to know.~shrug~
 
  • #818
Supposedly....but he was very bummed when Missys self pay insurance for herself and kids was cut off after she died. He was hoping that it would pay for "counseling" for the children.......Amazing that his insurance, if he had it, did not cover his whole family. JMO

Sometimes dependents will be covered under which parent has the best coverage / lowest premium. Could be that MB's was better than BB's?
 
  • #819
Why not just enter through the NE glass doors which were also broken? And why damage the kitchen window which seemed too high off the ground to climb through. There seems to be some unnecessary and unexplained damage to the exterior in addition to the damage done to interior doors.

I think that perp encountered the same problem at the NE that I have been explaining. He tried to bash in the glass in the door, to use the push bar to open it, and then discovered that the push bar wouldn't open it. (Then he went around the side, tried it at the small window in the kitchen door, and same thing.) Ultimately, imo he ended up having to pry the lock off the kitchen door, to gain access.
 
  • #820
Sometimes dependents will be covered under which parent has the best coverage / lowest premium. Could be that MB's was better than BB's?

Also my ex-husband had his coverage and I had mine, when we were married, as the cost to cover even a spouse on his was the same as if we had a bunch of kids, super expensive.
 
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