TX - Three killed, 14 injured in Fort Hood shooting, 2 April 2014 *suspect committed suicide*

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Wish I understood Google translations or facebook translations to be exact...gah useless.

His facebook has some interesting translations but don't understand all of them after it's in English. jmo
 
Slipknot on youtube....Over 83 million veiws. I'm too old for headbanging anymore (ha ha, like I ever was headbanging, tried it 25 years or so ago and it hurt my neck) but do remember Slipknot. Not very positive, a lot anger and terribly depressed music to me but I'll rock to most, minus injuring myself). jmo There's much more positive music to listen too, especially if you are depressed. jmo again.

Slipknot - Psychosocial

http://youtu.be/Wws7mnMewPw
 
Softail said:
Fort Hood Shooter’s Facebook Page Puts Face to Rampage


The Facebook page shows several photos of Lopez in and out of uniform. One past profile picture, posted in 2013, shows him in full combat gear and a comment on the image made by Ivan Slipknot mentions “memories of Fallujah, Iraq 2011.” Military officials confirmed the Fort Hood shooter had been in Iraq for four months in 2011, but did not see direct combat.




http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooters-facebook-page-puts-face-rampage/story?id=23175181
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BBM - In so many words, they diminish the effect of someone being in Fallujah because he "did not see direct combat".

IMO, just being there for 4 months is enough. I don't even care if he was sitting behind a desk, that place was as big a mess in 2011 as it was in 2004.
 
michmi said:
BBM - In so many words, they diminish the effect of someone being in Fallujah because he "did not see direct combat".

IMO, just being there for 4 months is enough. I don't even care if he was sitting behind a desk, that place was as big a mess in 2011 as it was in 2004.
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I agree. There has to be a tremendous amount of stress just knowing that you could be blown off the face of the earth at any minute. Bombs & missiles can hit anywhere when you're in a war zone.
 
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#news: 7 pm only update: 5 pts have been discharged. Due to some late testing, 1 patient in good condition will stay until tomorrow.

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#News: 4 patients still being treated. 1 in good condition, most likely to go home today. #FortHoodShooting

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#News: 3 others were in critical condition, upgraded to fair. #FortHoodShooting

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Found in the lobby at Temple Memorial Hospital #FortHood #salute pic.twitter.com/h75r6yVZGK

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It is shallow statements like these that infuriates me.



Sanders: We must do 'a heck of a lot more' to fix mental health

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Thursday the United States has to do “a heck of a lot more” to help people with mental health issues.
His comment came a day after a gunman killed three people and himself, and wounded 16 others on the Fort Hood, Texas, Army base Wednesday afternoon.
According to the base commander, the shooter, identified as Ivan Lopez, had been undergoing evaluation for post-traumatic stress disorder, but hadn’t been diagnosed. He had served in Iraq in 2011.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill...#ixzz2xuv3002I

I find this statement so 'tongue and cheek' and disingenuous but talk is always cheap.

Really? Seriously? We should help our military more when it comes to mental health care? And how do they expect the armed services to do that exactly when the sequester has gutted trillions from the DOD budget already with more gutting to come? And how can more be treated if this government is cutting back the amount of forces, which will include mental health doctors.

How can this government provide more mental health care when already those with severe physical, and mental disabilities have to wait months or years to even have their paperwork finalized so they can receive such treatments and benefits? Many of our military veterans go untreated no matter their diagnosis (physical or mental), and become homeless. I think actions speak louder than words any day about how our government thinks about the very ones that sacrifice the most. They take every opportunity they can to make it harder for the veteran even raising their health care premiums and reducing their retirement checks.

So if this really IS an important issue lets see if Congress allocates more funds to the DOD so they can actually treat all in the military like they deserve. Frankly I don't see it happening and its just more 'mouth talk.'

It didn't happen after the Ft. Hood massacre. It didn't happen when 13 were murdered on the navy base and it will not happen in this case. IMO:(

imo
 
faw720 said:
That sounds really strange. I would think that anyone who goes on a shooting spree would have definite mental issues.
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Three soldiers are dead, 16 wounded and it's reported mental illness is NOT the main factor?


How can that be?
 
Scott & White ‏@swhealthcare 1h
#News: 3 p.m. update: three patients still being treated, all in fair condition. Six have been discharged. #FortHoodShooting
 
faw720 said:
That sounds really strange. I would think that anyone who goes on a shooting spree would have definite mental issues.
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It says mental illness isn't the main factor....not that he didn't have mental illness. I imagine the dispute and reported theft is going to be the main factor. idk
 
Soldier in Fort Hood Attack Was in Dispute Over Leave

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/u...attack-was-in-dispute-over-leave.html?hp&_r=0

The Army specialist at Fort Hood who killed or wounded 19 of his fellow soldiers on Wednesday had a dispute with his superiors over their denial of a leave request shortly before the shooting rampage, a law enforcement official said Friday.

bbm


The soldier told SPC Lopez to come back tomorrow to pick up the form.

http://hot1073jamz.com/what-caused-spc-ivan-lopez-to-snap/
 
It was reported earlier that Lopez couldn't get leave for his Mothers funeral, but actually he got two days off according to Fox news.
 
What is this referring to?


My vote is that the base relocation has something signifigant to do with what happened - i.e did they want to relocate him to get him to a bigger base/afraid of him/ he was escalating etc???

An official said that at the time it is believed that there was "No premeditated targeting of any specific individuals" in the shooting

He bought a gun a month, stockpiled bullets and on Facebook indicated he the Devils got me ........................................no awareness that he on killing people??

plhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/who-is-ivan-lopez_n_5084315.html#83_us-military-officials-update-on-fort-hood-shooting-investigationanned
 
And the core of mental helath treatment is confidentiality. It is the "entity" that allows people to be open and honest in verbilzing their "warts"The breach of confidentiallity needed to tie mental health issues to guns would breach that -- that is serious business. The bigger focus should be on providing ample mental health . I worked in the feild for 17 years and "being seen" by psychiatrist goes like are you having any side effects, good here is your Rx. They typical spend about 8 minutes and then I had to spend months working with them as they switched my clinets meds all over the place. They no longer do talk therapy they are Rx writing machines Years ago drug companies would come into our practice, give us lunch, talk up the doc on the newest more profitable item and then the doc would switch everyone to the drug of month and in 4 months his family was in Africa on vacation on big pharm bill - it was repulsive. I worked my many psychiatrists throughout my career and only a handful cared or listened to my clients - 6-7 minutes once a month .

Hatfield said:
All JMO
There are no easy answers on what may have been able to be done to prevent someone like that shooter from obtaining the weapon he used.

The only point I want to make is that someone that is wanting to perform criminal acts like murder does not care about laws since they are going to break them anyway. It is very easy to forget that criminals by definition are breaking laws.

I do think it helps to have laws to make it as difficult as possible for criminals to acquire weapons. But if a criminal is determined enough then no law will stop them from obtaining a weapon if they want to use one in a crime.

This type of thing gets much more complex when trying to create any type of law to prevent mentally unstable people from legally purchasing a weapon. There is no quick and easy resolution and any type of law like that is very difficult to write. Many things have to be considered not the least of which is who determines and how is it determined when a person is deemed unfit to own a weapon. Complex stuff.

If it can help even a little bit to try to prevent the next shooting like this one, I am all for it. But we need to keep in mind that it will not be fool proof and is just a deterrant.
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In another Facebook post, Lopez talked about Lanza, 20, who killed his mother, Nancy, before fatally shooting 20 children, six staff members and himself at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown in December 2012.

Lopez wrote that Lanza "pretends to be a victim of a mental illness followed by addiction to violent video games" and that the shooter sought "international attention" and a "minute of fame as a villain."

He added, "It is stupid to me that anyone can have easy access to a powerful weapon without being mentally evaluated. This makes the government indirect accomplice... These bastards have perfected their way of attacking studying previous massacres to gain publicity and their minute of fame as a villain. But thanks to Hollywood and the sensational profiling by the media [they] give more power to those intelligent cowards."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=29379757#gSIPK3v2qlBb9fMG.99

WOW! :scared:
 
Yikes at the Facebook post, if that's true. I think that just shows how much these incidents get into people's heads - I do believe media coverage is more of a contributor than mental illness, in that mental illness has long predated these incidents but media coverage has not. There's a pretty clear difference between the level of mental instability needed to shoot random children versus co-workers following an argument, but I do wonder how much simple awareness of these things makes people more likely to react in such a way. I do not believe all shooters are mentally ill, if that can even be defined, but I do think there's a period of detachment that precedes such an event that is definitely not normal.
 
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