TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022 #2

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Thanks to whoever posted the San Antonio Mariachis.

The healing comfort of music..... Another site translated a few of the songs that read like poetry. I can see where singing these songs would also be difficult for the artist and also the musicians.
 
[SBM] I don't know; however, radio miscommunication, different frequencies, and communication breakdowns were a large part of why so many people, including police and firemen, died at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

I will venture to say the the NYC fire and police departments are some of the most experienced and well-trained in the world, but they couldn't hear orders to evacuate, even with the radio repeaters that were installed after the first WTC attack that killed six people.

The article below explains it if anyone is interested.

Two of my acquaintances died in the South Tower because after the North Tower was attacked, the Public Announcement system told them to stay inside, and communication from police and fire to evacuate was not received. I know this because one called her mother and one called his wife to say they were being told to go back upstairs.

Jmo


From the Fox article:

The local police radio system, which serves a nine-county area in this stretch of rural South Texas, was built in the early 2000s after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, when emergency response was priortized nationwide, according to Mr. Anderson.

Mr. Anderson said higher-frequency radios used in urban areas, which can better penetrate buildings, cannot cover the vast geography of an area like South Texas. He said he and other system designers assumed officers inside buildings could step outside when they needed to communicate. "The thought just wasn’t there that it would ever be an issue," he said.

...but federal agencies such as Border Patrol use an entirely different radio system, Mr. Anderson said. Local law-enforcement officials can get permission to patch in to the Border Patrol systems to relay communications back and forth.

Shortly before the Bortac agents and others breached the classroom where the 18-year-old gunman had barricaded himself, someone called over the radio with directions to not breach the room, according to the official briefed on the investigation. However, investigators haven't determined who gave the order, to whom it was directed, or which system the order was sent over, this person said.


You raise a good point about 9/11, which is why the area has the current radio system, albeit with rural weakness. Depending on the time Bortac arrived, local LE could've patched into their system to fix coms. Lots of questions and possibilities here, hope we get a solid timeline soon.
 
From the Fox article:

The local police radio system, which serves a nine-county area in this stretch of rural South Texas, was built in the early 2000s after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, when emergency response was priortized nationwide, according to Mr. Anderson.

Mr. Anderson said higher-frequency radios used in urban areas, which can better penetrate buildings, cannot cover the vast geography of an area like South Texas. He said he and other system designers assumed officers inside buildings could step outside when they needed to communicate. "The thought just wasn’t there that it would ever be an issue," he said.

...but federal agencies such as Border Patrol use an entirely different radio system, Mr. Anderson said. Local law-enforcement officials can get permission to patch in to the Border Patrol systems to relay communications back and forth.

Shortly before the Bortac agents and others breached the classroom where the 18-year-old gunman had barricaded himself, someone called over the radio with directions to not breach the room, according to the official briefed on the investigation. However, investigators haven't determined who gave the order, to whom it was directed, or which system the order was sent over, this person said.


You raise a good point about 9/11, which is why the area has the current radio system, albeit with rural weakness. Depending on the time Bortac arrived, local LE could've patched into their system to fix coms. Lots of questions and possibilities here, hope we get a solid timeline soon.
That article really doesn't explain much at all. I found a map of the nine county region. It includes the cities of Del Rio and Eagle Pass. Additionally, local radio needs to work in all the WalMarts, HEBs, Home Depots, jails, hospitals, theaters, schools in that region. I can't imagine those buildings not having access to police radio inside or not needing radio. Certainly there must have been at least a WalMart where they needed radio in the past 20 years!

Heck Eagle Pass even has a casino!
 
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Instead of funding its own Police Department, the School District should invest in employing a psychologist in each school to help troubled children/teens.

It's a nice idea, but until America deals with the first 2 needs of Maslow's Hierarchy, 1) essentials like food and water, and 2) physical safety, the money will continue to flow to weapons and security.
 
It's a nice idea, but until America deals with the first 2 needs of Maslow's Hierarchy, 1) essentials like food and water, and 2) physical safety, the money will continue to flow to weapons and security.

Talking of A. Maslow...

"Let people realize clearly that every time they threaten someone or humiliate or unnecessarily hurt or dominate or reject another human being, they become forces for the creation of psychopathology, even if these be small forces.

Let them recognize that every person who is kind, helpful, decent, psychologically democratic, affectionate, and warm, is a psychotheraputic force, even though a small one."

Abraham H. Maslow


To support my idea of psychologists helping troubled and bullied students vs LE at schools.
 
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Of course that is what it is. IMO - they were "advised" to do nothing until the DOJ comes back. Period. Full stop. If they had even just given him a written reprimand - it would be construed as an admission of "neglect of duty" and since he was their employee - well.............admission of wrong doing.

However, IF this school board had decided 2 years ago to NOT fund a school police department - 4 officers, 1 detective and 1 chief (kinda expensive) then this whole conversation would not be happening as then the Local PD, County Sheriff, and even the Texas Rangers would have been in command - whoever was first on scene.They decided to put themselves here.

I don't know many, if any, small school districts that have their own police department. Big urban areas, yes. But they only have 8 schools - total. Yet, they didn't even fund enough officers to be able to put 1 officer at each school.

Seems all that money spent on officers could have been spent upgrading the actual facilities (both buildings and grounds) to make everyone feel safer.

And what happened to the School Board working with/contracting out the school officers with either the local PD or the sheriff's office? A lot of the districts I've worked in do it this way - they kinda split the bill on the officers for the schools.

But all this is JMHO.
^BBM
Do we know how these funds were spent?


In January 2020, the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District received $69,000 from a one-time, $100 million state grant to enhance physical security in Texas public schools, according to a dataset detailing the Texas Education Agency grants. The funds were comparable to what similarly sized districts received.

 
No amount of money spent on security can stop a frustrated, angry, crazed STUDENT if he/she is determined.

Because, let's be honest, the perps are mainly present/former STUDENTS, and not just somebody "straight from the street".

Friendly atmosphere at school, firm counteraction against bullying, help for the troubled by professionals - is the best security.

Oh, and sticking to safety protocols.
(Let's forget about propped doors, etc.)

So little and yet so much!
 

In battered Uvalde, where a police chief is in hiding, grief gives way to calls for accountability​


FROM THE ARTICLE: (This is a long but very interesting article)

City Hall has locked its doors during business hours and declined to immediately provide any public records to reporters. The chief of the city police force, Daniel Rodriguez, has declined to answer questions about his officers’ response to the shooting. A Uvalde CISD official told a reporter, falsely, that the first school board meeting since the incident would be closed to the public. (this is what small towns can do - but bigger areas can't - I always thought it was against the law to decline public records requests)

Lydia Morales, who grew up in Uvalde, said local government has long been insular. She feels officials protect each other and give preferential treatment to friends and allies. She criticized Mayor Don McLaughlin for initially saying Arredondo would not be sworn in as planned. Arredondo was subsequently sworn in Monday at City Hall in a secret ceremony. (this speaks volumes for reading between the lines)

“He lied to the community of Uvalde,” Morales said. “But shame on Arredondo for even doing that. I can’t see how he would have the audacity.”

Arredondo, 50, became chief of the Uvalde CISD department in 2020. The tiny force of a half dozen officers, formed two years earlier, is responsible for security at the district’s eight schools. Officers also direct traffic and staff sporting events, and Arredondo said last year that the hiring of two officers would allow for a greater focus on narcotics. (looking to hire 2 more officers - spend more money - yet still not have enough officers to be able to place one at each school?)

“We are confident with our selection and impressed with his experience, knowledge and community involvement,” Superintendent Hal Harrell said after the school board unanimously approved the hire in February 2020.
At an April candidate forum, Arredondo said communication is the key to solving complicated issues.

“I guess to me, nothing’s complicated, everything has a solution,” he said at the time. “And that solution starts with communication.” (HIS WORDS! - boy they came back to bite him)


From her family’s produce stand on Main Street, Angelia Arellano has watched police cars from Dallas, Houston and the Rio Grande Valley drive by in the past week. Officers from across the state have come to assist their local counterparts. She said the city police department appears to have retreated from public view at precisely the moment they should be out in the community as it grieves.

Their absence reinforces Arellano’s belief, forged in a lifetime of living in Uvalde, that the police cannot be relied upon. She said they refused to respond when she once called about a man who was harassing her son.

“The police aren’t very effective,” she said in Spanish. “If there’s no blood and no one has been killed, they don’t come.”


Sadly, I'm beginning to think the victims and families of this horrific crime will never see justice. Life in small town America is really different from that in the big cities. They both have their pros and cons - but one thing remains the same - greed, ego, arrogance, and a "quid pro quo" attitude between the elected. They will stop at nothing to keep each other protected. Meanwhile the citizens are left to figure it out and "deal with it" among themselves. And all that is so much easier to do when it is on a small scale and nobody really pays attention. Such a shame. But the whole world is paying attention now. Let's all pray that attention will get some answers and fix these attitudes.

JMHO - as always.....
 
"She loved that movie and talked a lot about it," her aunt Siria Arizmendi told The Associated Press.

San Antonio-area television stations reported that Disney sent a dress resembling the one worn by Isabela, the older sister in the film, whose special power is making flowers grow. The dress is lilac and decorated with flowers.

 

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WATCH: Officers threaten to charge journalists if they don't leave Uvalde school district HQ​


Officers threatened to levy criminal trespassing charges against journalists if they refused to leave a parking lot at the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Headquarters.
Another reporter, Guillermo Contreras, corroborated Prokupecz's account that reporters had been ordered off the premises, noting they were told the school district headquarters was private property.




WOW!!! Whoa - wait - hold up - how in the world is a school district headquarters building private property? Since when? These properties are paid for by tax dollars. This makes no sense. But, again, small town - they can say and do and act as they want and until someone with the means, determination, and "backing" steps up and says "wait - you can't do this" - this will continue unquestioned. Would this happen in a big city with their school district HQ? NOPE - not in a heartbeat. JMHO
 

WATCH: Officers threaten to charge journalists if they don't leave Uvalde school district HQ​


Officers threatened to levy criminal trespassing charges against journalists if they refused to leave a parking lot at the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Headquarters.
Another reporter, Guillermo Contreras, corroborated Prokupecz's account that reporters had been ordered off the premises, noting they were told the school district headquarters was private property.




WOW!!! Whoa - wait - hold up - how in the world is a school district headquarters building private property? Since when? These properties are paid for by tax dollars. This makes no sense. But, again, small town - they can say and do and act as they want and until someone with the means, determination, and "backing" steps up and says "wait - you can't do this" - this will continue unquestioned. Would this happen in a big city with their school district HQ? NOPE - not in a heartbeat. JMHO

School property is owned by the school board. Although schools are publicly funded this does not entitle access by the public.

 
School property is owned by the school board. Although schools are publicly funded this does not entitle access by the public.

That is canadian law - says Ontario at the top and minister of education at the bottom
and it is only addressing access to "school premises" - meaning individual schools as it talks about the principal and vice principal allowing access.

It doesn't address school district administrational buildings - which aren't actual "school locations"
 
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WATCH: Officers threaten to charge journalists if they don't leave Uvalde school district HQ​


Officers threatened to levy criminal trespassing charges against journalists if they refused to leave a parking lot at the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Headquarters.
Another reporter, Guillermo Contreras, corroborated Prokupecz's account that reporters had been ordered off the premises, noting they were told the school district headquarters was private property.




WOW!!! Whoa - wait - hold up - how in the world is a school district headquarters building private property? Since when? These properties are paid for by tax dollars. This makes no sense. But, again, small town - they can say and do and act as they want and until someone with the means, determination, and "backing" steps up and says "wait - you can't do this" - this will continue unquestioned. Would this happen in a big city with their school district HQ? NOPE - not in a heartbeat. JMHO


Shimon Prokupecz has been relentless in trying to get answers from Arrendondo.

My heart closed when Shimon tried to get Arrendondo to comment and he stonewalled by saying that out of respect for the families, he wouldn't comment until the funerals were over and the families "quit grieving."

What does that mean? When do you "quit grieving" over your child being blasted into shreds by an AR-15?

When Shimon was relating this to Anderson Cooper, I was wishing Anderson would mention how he's still grieving for his brother who committed suicide over 30 years ago.

Shimon tracked Arrendondo down and that was the IMO unfeeling response he got. I would respect Arrendondo on some level if he would give an answer, an explanation, an apology, show some grief. But he will talk when the families "quit grieving?" Like it's an annoyance that he has to endure so he can continue his career.

IMO this is why this edict is coming down that the media is on "private property."
 

Shimon Prokupecz has been relentless in trying to get answers from Arrendondo.

My heart closed when Shimon tried to get Arrendondo to comment and he stonewalled by saying that out of respect for the families, he wouldn't comment until the funerals were over and the families "quit grieving."

What does that mean? When do you "quit grieving" over your child being blasted into shreds by an AR-15?

When Shimon was relating this to Anderson Cooper, I was wishing Anderson would mention how he's still grieving for his brother who committed suicide over 30 years ago.

Shimon tracked Arrendondo down and that was the IMO unfeeling response he got. I would respect Arrendondo on some level if he would give an answer, an explanation, an apology, show some grief. But he will talk when the families "quit grieving?" Like it's an annoyance that he has to endure so he can continue his career.

IMO this is why this edict is coming down that the media is on "private property."
I've been trying to wade through this Texas law on school property - most of it deals with actual "campuses" which are schools. Of course, there are different rules for individual campuses. But the district admin headquarters building is a different animal. There are no students there. The superintendent's office is there plus the assistant supers, all the clerical staff, etc. There is a big conference room where the PUBLIC school board meetings are held - and they MUST BE OPEN to the public. And I've always been told that THAT admin building is public, as opposed to private, property. It is owned by the school district which is funded with public tax dollars.

Now, you can be removed from that property for a whole lot of reasons legally. But to clearly state that you can't even be in the parking lot because it is private property just doesn't fly.

Again, now all the legalese doublespeak comes into play and muddies the waters so no one is sure of what is what. It seems that the "elected" school board members have control and can "order" access or deny access to this building - which is all within the rights of their elected position.

Lord have mercy on my soul. My head hurts.......and I will take back what I said.

But I still believe in my own opinion - that the school district administration building is public property and having LE in the parking lot of that building threatening people with arrest if they don't leave is a disgrace. If I was there - I would move my car to a spot on the street and go stand on the sidewalk. That most certainly is not private property - but then they would probably threaten me with loitering if I didn't get to "walking" on the sidewalk - so would I have to walk back and forth?


JMHO
 
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BBM
Which leads to the question - was he even in uniform? Seriously, what on-duty police chief doesn't have all his equipment on him? Was he perhaps too busy attending to his other job, city council member? LOTS of questions on Arredondo ...
JMO

Leads me to believe wth was he doing? Where was he and where was his police radio?
Is it common for him NOT to use his radio?
 
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