TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022

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someone else (seattle1? i'm trying to find who, it was in the 20-pages on this thread) posted this already...


fox news JUST said on live tv that SR was one of the two arrested four years ago. i can't find it in print yet. TX Rep Tony Gonzales is reporting this right now. obviously juvenile records are sealed...
Fox News is still trying to confirm that it was indeed the shooter. They have continued the interview with a state senator and he's asked for Texas Rangers to confirm.
 

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Texas Senator Roland Gutierrez - on Fox News just said it appears there was a failure in protocol. Apparently, based on the interview, the rules of engagement change once hostages are involved. This is going to be very interesting moving forward. He was very well spoken, if I can find a link to the interview I will post it.
 

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I have a real problem with the children who survived being interviewed by the media so soon after what they experienced. <modsnip>. it just bothers me-- in order to answer those questions, they have to re-live what they just experienced, while at the same time distancing themselves from the experience in order to answer those questions.
 
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I have a real problem with the children who survived being interviewed by the media so soon after what they experienced. <modsnip>. it just bothers me-- in order to answer those questions, they have to re-live what they just experienced, while at the same time distancing themselves from the experience in order to answer those questions.
I was just thinking that, and especially with their full names used. It feels very exploitive and re-traumatizing. Those conversations should be private between the child, parents, a trauma specialist and LE.
 

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Father of the shooter talks

He actually says that his nobody knows what his son was going through but that he wasn’t a monster. He hadn’t talked to his son for a month before the shooting.
Sir, your son was a monster.
 

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I have a real problem with the children who survived being interviewed by the media so soon after what they experienced. <modsnip>. it just bothers me-- in order to answer those questions, they have to re-live what they just experienced, while at the same time distancing themselves from the experience in order to answer those questions.
I am sure it's therapeutic
I was just thinking that, and especially with their full names used. It feels very exploitive and re-traumatizing. Those conversations should be private between the child, parents, a trauma specialist and LE.

I wish someone in the legal field or a public relations group would offer them guidance on how to deal with the onslaught of press. I'm sure it's therapautic to tell their story but the media isn't the best outlet right now. IMO
 

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RIP
They say you can tell a person through their eyes. The first time I saw Irma Garcia's picture, I was stuck by what kind eyes she had. A day later I saw a picture of Irma Garcia with her husband Joe Garcia, and I was stuck again by what kind eyes she had but it didn't stop there. Joe Garcia had the same kind eyes. What a beautiful couple they were. I hope their story will be beautifully memorialized.
 

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You do. That's what concealed carry is all about. I've read a lot of comments on this site, but truth be told, the killer in a situation like this only stops when they run out of ammo, the firearm jams, they decide to commit suicide, they sit down and quit, or they are killed by someone else, often times by a responding individual with a gun.

No LE, or concealed carry, or legislation, is effective in stopping all crime, and/or murders. But for me, having been part of a sweep team in a public school, trained to sweep the hallways in the event of an active shooter in the building, I'd rather be armed in that situation, than not.

Armed intruder in the building. All classrooms doors to be locked. Some kids possibly stuck in hallways, bathrooms, etc. Sweep teams designated to sweep through the building, rounding up students, getting them out of harms way if possible. We even had local LE participate in trainings.

One thing I read on here, indeed, confusion can arise as to who's who. Upon sight of LE, sweep team members were trained to hit the floor flat out with hands on head so LE knew. We all had radios, and other details too numerous to mention.

I can assure you it was a detail that none of us cherished.
<modsnip - no link for info posted>

Conversely, there was another shooter in a bar several years ago, who was killed by another bar patron who had a CCW. I found a link to that.

 
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Uvalde, Texas school shooting: Off-duty CBP agent saves students, daughter after 'help' text from teacher wife

An off-duty US Customs and Border Protection agent saved dozens of children trapped inside Robb Elementary Tuesday after his wife, a fourth-grade teacher at the school, texted him that there was an active shooter, according to a report.

"Help," she wrote, "I love you." Jacob Albarado was getting a haircut at the time.

He borrowed a shotgun from his barber, who came with him, and headed to where his wife and his second-grade daughter were hiding in the school, according to The New York Times.

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While a CBP elite tactical team was planning to take out the shooter, Albarado coordinated with other officers to get as many children out as possible. He started in the area where his wife had said their daughter was hiding, rescuing other children and teachers along the way.
 

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I have a question off topic.

What does "Robb" stand for?

Is this the name of a patron of this school?
 

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It's legal to carry in Texas. So maybe one of the teachers was armed. I guess we find out soon enough.

I'm sure some of it has to do with the risk of accident and culpability. Just because someone carries a weapon doesn't mean they will respond correctly to a threat. A hand gun is no match for an assault rifle. All guns are not created equal. Also, adrenaline can play havoc with control.


Culpability comes from accidents caused by weapons and whether a school can be held responsible. I worked for the OPP. We had a guy in a small detachment who put his weapon on top of a filing cabinet while he was searching for something. He slammed the cabinet drawer shut and his weapon fell on the floor and shot him in the leg. It was all sh*** and giggles because he injured himself, but can you imagine what would have happened if the secretary had been shot? I doubt he would have been sued because Canada isn't a litigious country but there would have been much scrutiny of the detachment and whether protocols involving service weapons were not being followed. Plus he could have been charged with negligence and fired.

In 2018 an FBI officer was dancing wildly in a bar in Texas and when executing a flip his weapon fell to the floor. When he picked it up it discharged shooting a patron in the leg. He plead guilty but what's to stop the victim from suing the bar for not ensuring that people carrying have their weapons secured in a holster not in their pants pocket? It opens up a whole can of worms, imo.

 
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Miah Cerrillo and her classmates were watching “Lilo and Stitch” in Eva Mireles and Irma Garcia’s classroom when the teachers got word there was a shooter in the building.

One teacher went to lock the door, but Miah told CNN the shooter was right there — and shot out the window in the door. She said the shooter looked at one of her teachers, said, “Goodnight,” and then shot her.

He opened fire, shooting the other teacher and many of Miah’s friends. She said bullets flew by her, and fragments hit her shoulders and head.

After shooting students in her class, Miah said the suspect went through a door into an adjoining classroom.

Miah and a friend managed to grab her dead teacher’s phone and call 911 for help. She told a dispatcher, “Please send help because we’re in trouble.”

She was scared the gunman would return so she dipped her hands in the blood of a classmate — who lay next to her, already dead — and then smeared the blood all over herself to play dead.

Miah said it felt like three hours that she lay there, covered in her classmate’s blood, with her friends until she was rescued.

This happened to an 11-year-old this week in a classroom in America.

 

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Unbelievable. Wow.

I don't think this person is the best spokesperson from LE for the Uvaldes shooting. Since the beginning, in my opinion, his reports have been hard to follow and confusing. It may be that he is working with insufficient information, but if that is the case, it would be better for him to just say that they don't have enough information yet to comment on certain things.

On the other hand, it may have been reasonable for the local LE to wait for reinforcements from the tactical squad, if they were being shot at with no way to safely engage the shooter and take cover, we certainly don't expect LE to sign up for a suicide mission.

I think we still need a review of the situation to find out what would have been a reasonable response by LE before the tactical squad arrived on the scene.
 

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It is unfathomable that this comes down to an UNLOCKED door.

Of course, there are thousands upon thousands of other questions that need answers. And, sadly, a lot of those will never see answers.

As a long-time, now retired, teacher, the first thing I said was "how did he get in?" I have watched and experienced many, many incidents in the schools over the years but with a case like this - it all boils down to HOW DID HE GET IN.

All the training and meetings I had to endure - the latest one was right before covid hit was "Stop the Bleed" where we were trained on how to apply tourniquets, packing a gunshot wound with gauze, etc. It was with that one that we were now given a "new name" - teachers are now considered immediate responders - meaning we have to know what to do when an incident like this unfolds in front of us. I was fine during the entire afternoon - which included actually administering aide to working dummies that were gushing ketchup! But, on the way home, it all hit me - I had to actually pull over - I became nauseous and was afraid I was going to throw up.

Something has to change.
 

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Miah Cerrillo and her classmates were watching “Lilo and Stitch” in Eva Mireles and Irma Garcia’s classroom when the teachers got word there was a shooter in the building.

One teacher went to lock the door, but Miah told CNN the shooter was right there — and shot out the window in the door. She said the shooter looked at one of her teachers, said, “Goodnight,” and then shot her.

He opened fire, shooting the other teacher and many of Miah’s friends. She said bullets flew by her, and fragments hit her shoulders and head.

After shooting students in her class, Miah said the suspect went through a door into an adjoining classroom.

Miah and a friend managed to grab her dead teacher’s phone and call 911 for help. She told a dispatcher, “Please send help because we’re in trouble.”

She was scared the gunman would return so she dipped her hands in the blood of a classmate — who lay next to her, already dead — and then smeared the blood all over herself to play dead.

Miah said it felt like three hours that she lay there, covered in her classmate’s blood, with her friends until she was rescued.

This happened to an 11-year-old this week in a classroom in America.


Add bullet proof glass to classroom door windows as a safety update. Says the shooter shot through the glass as the teacher closed the door as he approached the classroom.
 
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