UID Victim: The Female Toddler, UP9704, found Gilgo Beach Apr 2011

[CarlK90245]

I think this mother/daughter pair should be looked at as possibles to Victims #7 and #9

AMANDA AMGAD SALIB GARAS (Child) and SUZAN BOULES BESCKALES GERGES (Mother)

The presumption was that mother and daughter fled to Egypt. I wonder if anyone has ever spotted either of them in Egypt, or whether there are customs records or flight manifests to provide evidence that they actually did go to Egypt.

While Suzan's necklace doesn't appear to be of identical design to the bracelets, it is similar in style (i.e, gold colored and large).

The speculation that victims #7 and #9 might be Hispanic was based on to the jewelry. But a similar speculation could be made that they might be Middle Eastern.

Bayonne New Jersey is about 80 miles from Manorville, where the child's remains were found. (It is unclear where and when the mother's remains were found).

The child was estimated to have been there approximately one year when found in 2011. So a 2007 Date of Last Contact might be a little long. But I wouldn't rule them out based on that.

Amanda's age is just about right in comparison to the estimated age of the child (victim #7).

 

[Houston Mom]

Alexa Galdamez missing with Mom Aug 2010. Toddler has pierced ears.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/galdamez_alexa.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9987/0/

 

[takeitfromme412]

The jewelry alone leads me to believe this child was either Hispanic or middle eastern/Lebanese. It's common for their young daughters to have jewelry. Also, considering the victims that have been ID'd were workers in the sex industry makes me feel it is very likely the mother of the child was either an escort or street prostitute, who probably had few friends and estranged family, thus took the child in tow with her the night she met her demise.

 

[takeitfromme412]

Just had another thought. I posted this in the toddler's mother thread: That type of jewelry I have seen at flea markets as well as street vendors in NYC...... It's gold plated metal jewelry. Mom probably loved her lil girl very much and picked up jewelry she could afford to "spoil herself and babygirl" Maybe she even worked at a stand for a street vendor at some point? Just a thought.

 

[Selah84]

Alexa Galdamez missing with Mom Aug 2010. Toddler has pierced ears.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/galdamez_alexa.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9987/0/

One thing I find interesting about the description of Alexa Galdamez is that it states she has asthma which requires medication. It was stated there was no evidence of homicide in the case of the child. Is it possible that an abduction occurred, the child had an asthma attack, no medication was available so the child died?
Just thought it could be why the child didn't appear to be a victim of homicide. Could be wrong though.

Also, the quote above at the beginning of the thread states they were estimated to have been dead 4-5 years, though then it states estimated post-mortem interval of one year. I looked up post-mortem interval and it means time an individual has been deceased. Wouldn't this mean they were only dead approximately one year, and not 4-5? That is very confusing to me and makes determining their possible identities more difficult.

 

[mansker]

Is it possible that the mother/child were members of a gypsy group? The Rom do have their daughters wear jewelry and usually have pierced the ears of the girls very early. Also, the gold of the jewelry would be something that would be pleasing to them. I know the thought is Hispanic or illegal, but not Caucasian can cover the Rom as well.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I always wondered about Tiffany. She's listed as Hispanic, but she could easily be bi-racial.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dixon_tiffany.html

 

[takeitfromme412]

definitely a possibility!!!!

 

[Boomeroreo]

Anyone know of cultures that regularly put jewelry on their toddlers? I am asking because the I had never in my life seen jewelry on a baby until a friend of mine married a Cuban woman. That baby wore fine jewelry too, not trinkets from a gumball machine.

I am not trying to stereotype or offend anyone or anything, I am merely trying to narrow down where this baby may have come from. I wonder if the cops in Suffolk County are aware that many people (like myself) would find it damn odd to see a baby in gold and diamond jewelry. I have really only seen it done commonly among the Hispanics that live in my town.

I agree with you Fireweed. Something doesn't add up with any of these innocent people. But.. I was wondering if there is more than a serial killer out there, like a ritual killer.

 

[SCHMAE]

Is it possible that the mother/child were members of a gypsy group? The Rom do have their daughters wear jewelry and usually have pierced the ears of the girls very early. Also, the gold of the jewelry would be something that would be pleasing to them. I know the thought is Hispanic or illegal, but not Caucasian can cover the Rom as well.

I like this idea but wouldn't others in their group notice they are missing? I think they keep very close tabs on each other and are far more family oriented than some and would know very quickly if someone and her baby were missing.

 

[Professor Bell]

Is there any way to determine where the jewelry may have been purchased?

 

[Claireishere]

From what I know about gypsies is females especially a baby female do not go missing. While the males can be cheaters and wild the women are expected to stay at home and if a female wants to leave then the child or children stay behind. I would rule out gypsies plus the women are assumed to have worked in the sex trade too right?

 

[georgiaps]

A few thoughts:
Burlap plus access to a likely refrigerator of large size= florist? Sea food industry? Transporting sea food or flowers would also give access to large vehicle.
Hunting grounds and disposal grounds are likely part of delivery route, but not home base. Is there a large hotel or restaurant that would cater large events near by?

Two vics seem incidental - Asian male and baby. However, it could be possible that since profile describes a likely settled male that toddler and toddler mom could be related to killer? Perhaps his baby and girlfriend/wife? If foreign and his, maybe why not reported missing? Indian/middle eastern decent possible, too?

Wrapped in blanket implies some feeling and remorse. Baby could have been accidently with mom when death occurred and child died perhaps as mom body was being transported? With no signs of foul play... hm. Would suffocation in a refrigerated truck have left signs on a nearly total skeleton?

I hope these people are identified and this guy is stopped before he strikes again.

I agree with you Fireweed. Something doesn't add up with any of these innocent people. But.. I was wondering if there is more than a serial killer out there, like a ritual killer.

 

[StingRay_814]

I have seen someone mention Sasha Davis and her daughter Selah but I don't think she's old enough to be the toddler because they said she went missing at 4 months. So this makes me think that Amanda Garsa and her mom may be the one but I think I posted on Jane Doe #3 that she was supposedly in Egypt so if they had the fathers DNA they could compare. Amanda went missing at 2 and a half. And she had pierced ears and she is not Caucasian.

 

[Tulessa]

All the female baby's in my family have pierced ears before they are a year old. I thought it was the norm, but then again, we are Cherokee. :dunno:

 

[lawstudent]

The jewelry thing is common in a lot of cultures, and strange in a lot of other cultures. I'd say it definitely is a clue as to the background because there is likely a cultural connection, but I see it not at all as a shocking or nefarious thing. Certainly not ritualistic or connected to illegal immigration, and highly unlikely to be connected to the Roma just because that's not statistically likely. Also more common with younger moms because it has become more culturally acceptable across the board. My mom would never have pierced my ears but I had some gold jewelry - if I had to guess I'd say that was an Italian thing, but I have no idea.

 

[deedee21]

LE and the ME believes the baby is not white because she is wearing jewelry? If they can make that leap then why cant conclude the baby is a girl for the same reason?

 

[giagreen]

LE and the ME believes the baby is not white because she is wearing jewelry? If they can make that leap then why cant they conclude the baby is a girl for the same reason?

You mean they haven't? I always assumed they did. That's weird.

 

[deedee21]

The toddlers gender is listed as unknown in NAMUS. Her mother was never entered into NAMUS. I call it muddying the water. Ill make a leap. I think LE knows their identity. Maybe they got a hit on the DNA? Why would they hide it? Maybe they have an eye on a male that was in the mothers life.

 

[giagreen]

The toddlers gender is listed as unknown in NAMUS. Her mother was never entered in NAMUS. I call it muddying the water. Ill make a leap. I think LE knows their identity. Maybe they got a hit on the DNA?Why would they hide it. Maybe they have an eye on a male that was in the mothers life.

I new the mother was never entered. I guess I never realized the toddlers gender wasn't entered cause I always felt she was a girl. Wow...yeah I think if they had any real reason its cause they know but want to prove it.
Its been a while how much of the mother was found? Do we know if she had all her parts? I mean could she possible not have things they'd need to list her?