GUILTY UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #4

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  1. TaylorCallum

    TaylorCallum Well-Known Member

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    Ah I see. But isn't he under 24/7 supervision anyway and doesn't interact with others?
     
  2. Alyce

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    Peter A Smith‏Verified account @PeterAdamSmith 1m1 minute ago

    Defence argues there may be people in the young offenders institution (where the teenager is held) who already know his identity but there may be people who do not. Also there may be people who will go into the young offenders institution in future who do not know his identity.


    splitting hairs here imo - anyone who goes in there will quickly learn who he is
     
  3. Alyce

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    James Matthews‏Verified account @jamesmatthewsky 2m2 minutes ago

    Crown QC had earlier said he was told of info from police as to particular risk to Alesha’s killer. Won’t say what it is but (having made enquiries) says it doesn’t appear to have any substance. Killer’s QC counters that yesterday word used was “credible”
     
  4. Alyce

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    Indeed.

    Wonder if Defence will say the threat may extend to family if they cant get to the murderer ?
     
  5. Alyce

    Alyce Well-Known Member

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  6. Joolz1975

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    Be very surprised if they don't name him.

    There is little point keeping it hidden now.

    A two minute internet search shows you his name, photos and videos.

    He's been found guilty, he doesn't deserve protection.

    If he can name and cast doubt over TM when she has done nothing wrong why should he be protected?

    If it wasn't already out there is be more cautious but it is.

    Publicise it officially and get it over with.
     
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  7. Alyce

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    Peter A Smith‏Verified account @PeterAdamSmith 2m2 minutes ago

    Court hears there is a history of self harm, anxiety & depression, he had been previously tested for ADHD & was awaiting further testing at time of arrest. Defence says there are issues from attack from others and also potential self harm if he’s identified


    BBM interesting -
    and again, 24 hour solitary, doesnt leave much chance of attack ?
     
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  9. wtiger

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    Why didnt you tell us that sooner??.
    That makes it all ok does it not

    Pull the other one!
     
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    Wonder what the prisoner’s demeanour is like during this ?
     
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    Lorna Gordon‏Verified account @bbclornag 7m7 minutes ago

    It is difficult to see viewers / readers less interested just because they don’t know the name of the accused defence QC argues, adding difficult to see how debate about criminal justice better informed by knowing the name of the accused.

    Points out that 16 year-old has history of self harm, anxiety and depression and argues there are issues pertaining to his safety and his potential self harm that means anonymity should be retained.

    Defence QC argues that to make an order lifting anonymity based on the fact a 19 year old was (falsely) incriminated by the murderer 'would be tit for tat and nothing more'.


    BBM wow, not a great choice of wording there imo
     
  13. Yenriac

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    Surely the QC isn't citing ADHD as a reason for what he did?
     
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    I think "flat affect" is the textbook terminology
     
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    The responses from her "friend" all seemed typical for a petty girl who doesn't really like said friend. I didn't take any of the girl's words seriously other than to think she was a pretty horrible person who wanted some attention. It was just basically all her so called impressions of TM twisted to sound as bad as possible. We've all known women and girls like this. :/
     
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  17. wtiger

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    Defence struggling with this one..
    My money is firmly on him being named now
     
  18. Alyce

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    Plenty of people go through life with depression, anxiety, ADHD and/or self-harm and manage not to commit any crime, never mind one as horrible as this one.
     
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    'Killer’s QC says he was awaiting further testing for ADHD' - I am no expert but how does having ADHD mitigate what he has done ? or depression or self harm for that matter - I do depair
     
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