GUILTY UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #6

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  1. Eve71

    Eve71 Well-Known Member

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    I think you’re right. He knew he was going down for a long time , so just made the most of his time in court. He probably loved the reaction he got from genie.
     
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  2. Kiranerys

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    Without a doubt!
     
  3. TaylorCallum

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    Do you think he'll ever appeal? Not his conviction obviously since he admitted it, but his sentence? I know he wouldn't get it reduced but I think he could appeal just for the spectacle of it.
     
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    He records that when you saw Alesha your reaction, according to you, was as follows:

    "... A moment of opportunity... At any other time in life, murder wouldn't have been the conclusion. If I was a year younger I don't think I would have done it. ... All I thought about was killing her once I saw her.

    I don't think this is strictly true (I know it's what it says etc but) ... I think the word 'rape' should be in place of murder. I think killing Alesha was the icing not the cake and he couldn't let her live as she'd be able to identify him.
     
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    'White Bear' was nastier! He certainly deserves that treatment.
     
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    I agree. It's quite strange when you think about it though isn't it? That even apparent psychopaths have a hard time admitting their desire to want to rape or their attraction to children. By all accounts they should really not care, they should be open about what they have done and why did it but for some reason, a lot of them tend to hide behind other reasons. It's odd.
     
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    I could see him doing this, just to create more upset. Whether or not he would even be allowed to get as far as submitting an appeal is another matter.
    In England there is a time limit for making an appeal - so if it is the same in Scotland, we should hear something fairly soon.
     
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    Interesting report here on psychopathy and the law.
    https://www.strath.ac.uk/media/1new...s/studentlawreview/fourthedition/Nicolson.pdf

    I know nothing of mental health reports and whats taken into account by Scottish law as to be deemed incapable of moral judgement or an understanding of an action; I am slightly puzzled though as to why he's considered sane.

    That's not to exclude responsibility but to clarify why he wasn't committed to an institution.
     
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    I don’t think he will . Lord Matthews obviously did his homework and gave him the maximum sentence he could but without leaving it open to an easy appeal. I think his sentence is water tight.
     
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    I doubt his family or former friends would but he probably will get use of a befriending service. Of course , they’ll be a handful of silly girls wanting to be his penfriend/girlfriend and saying what a wonderful gentle soul he really is and we’ve all got him wrong!
     
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    Personally, I think the word he would have used was f*ck.
     
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    I think it's very unusual to actually be deemed clinically insane. He was well aware of his actions and well aware of the ramifications they would have. Even being a psychopath you still know right from wrong, even if you feel as if the rules don't apply to you or you simply don't care. I get the argument some people would present that since psychopaths don't feel any sort of empathy or remorse, then they don't fit the same moral compass as the average person so perhaps the same standards shouldn't apply to them, but they are still cognizant of their actions so I think that's why they are not deemed insane.

    However, there are times when I've wondered how certain people weren't classified as insane. Funnily enough, I remember John Wayne Gacy saying about Jeffrey Dahmer, "If Jeffrey Dahmer doesn't meet the requirements for insanity, then I'd hate like hell to run into the guy that does." which I found quite ironic and amusing.
     
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    He would enjoy the 'White Bear' treatment. For one the woman had a conscience in that episode, something AC lacks. In 'White Christmas' he was stuck in a room with the same song playing for like a 1000 years. That would be some mental torture.
     
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    I think the judge maybe left the rape part out when he read that,to spare the family as much as he could
     
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    There's probably many reasons as to why someone showing signs of psychopathy wouldn't be deemed insane - you wouldn't want violent ones to be excused of their actions as one instance.
    Reading some articles though it would seem that changes to the system could be on the horizon.

    Interesting reading on that article above about advances that could also be made in assessing and in the treatment of child and adolescents.

    " Taking into account the impressionability of the adolescent mind, a landmark study took a large sample size of young offenders who attained high scores on the youth variant of the PCL-R and put them through a specialised talk-therapy treatment programme. The results achieved with psychopathic youth far eclipses the successes of the treatment administered to adult offenders mentioned previously: the youths that had successfully completed the programme were far more likely to not offend again post-parole than the youths in the control group.131 This would strongly suggest that psychopathy, while not necessarily treatable, is remediable if caught young enough."

    It all costs money though.
     
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    GL has shown such great bravery, dignity, insight and articulation to something that the rest of us couldn't comprehend. The rest of the family have shown the same qualities too.
     
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    I know, so sad. They look alike aswell.
     
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    Signed !!

    I’m gonna quite miss everyone on this thread as it starts to go quiet and we all return to our day to day lives. I only joined for this case in particular even though I’ve always been interested in true crime, but this feels different for some reason. It effected me deeply . I don’t think I’m gonna get invested in a case like it again though coz it’s not healthy at all. Thanks for my time on websleuths everyone . X
     
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