Still Missing UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #4

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  1. Mercsw

    Mercsw Well-Known Member

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    they haven’t searched anywhere really. That’s the sad part. They did a bit around cowbit and a bit at cuckoos hollow. They also asked scw to point to places on a map where she ran off…but of course they don’t exist!

    personally I’m not as convinced by rails, as the place he was would be the posh-Spalding-Lincoln line and it’s largely inaccessible. There’s better places in my opinion.

    However I do wish we had more efforts to search. Maybe I’ve missed it and there has been efforts, but I’m not seeing it
     


  2. MsMiniSleuth

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    The Crown Court
    at Cambridge

    Daily Courtroom List for Friday 16 July 2021
    FINAL 2

    CAMBRIDGE

    Court 1
    - sitting at 10:00 am

    Mrs Justice McGowan



    Trial (Part Heard)
    T20207197 WALKER Scott
    T1729420 WALKER Sarah
     
  3. CSIAngus

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    I'm a great believer in leakage. The horses I think is exactly that. It has altered my view of events. I think ScW drove about on the Saturday (the 'scenic route') assessing whether he needed to kill BW and/or had the bottle, and wondering how or where he could do it. I think he eventually stopped at the gate of the horse field south of the Barn Garden Centre, having first driven passed into Dogsthorpe, then doubling back. There was a new foal in the field. BW would like to see it, which might lighten her mood. He parked by the gate which precluded others parking there. That is the 410 steps (about 300m, so within 150m of that gate). He killed BW there, by whatever means, and hid her body in the trees on the south side of the car dyke. He came back in the dead of night on foot having left his car and phone at the Harrier pub car park north of Uldale Way. The 8 steps there were him getting the spade out of the boot. He then walked on foot back to the trees, dug a hole and put BW in it. If I were to pick a detailed search location it would be there.
     
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  4. MissMarbles

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    I can't remember which newspaper I saw it in, but Police did search the fields around the barn. It does make sense for the pub car park to be a match for that Phone ping though.
     
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  5. Sooty

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    I can see why you think this way but I would imagine that this is quite a risky choice for this crime. It is very close (just a few walking minutes) to dense residential population with footpaths and dog walking routes, busy thoroughfares and cycling routes.
    My experience in lockdown was that the world and his wife was out walking dogs, jogging, cycling, strolling with mates, teenagers seeking outdoor adventures - just to grab some fresh air and a change of scene. I live in an area where we are just villages spread through our surrounding area and finding space to yourself, where you previously were used to finding it, was nigh on impossible! Particularly at midday on a Saturday afternoon in July. Even if he was lucky to stay invisible in the few minutes an actual murder may have taken, there would have been a struggle, screaming, and then attempting to conceal a body where a dog, or a person might discover it; in this potentially busy location, at this peak time, would be very risky indeed.
    I am not familiar with the area just a few minutes further out of the city towards the fens, but I would imagine the further you go the less risk there is.
    Horses can be found anywhere if you are looking for them and you have a car at your disposal, if you feel this is key ‘slippage’.
     
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  6. Joey100

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    I remembered seeing that too, so I just checked the PT website and they had this article on there. It doesn't mention the barn but they were parked in their carpark in the pictures.
    Search for missing teenager Bernadette returns to Peterborough
     
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  7. Rosegold68

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    What about the roundabout on the A15 between the pub and garden centre
    I ofton look at roundabouts and wonder when the last time a human stepped on one was. Secluded places in a busy area!

    Nobody would ever pass by or have reason to walk on one
     
  8. CSIAngus

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    The Police were pretty specific that it was in the vacinity of Uldale Way which gives you the street itself or the Harrier/Spar on the North side. Remember that the searches they did were months later when the vegetation had grown. This weekend is the anniversary so the vegetation will be much as the same when BW was killed.
     
  9. CSIAngus

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    But then you need to factor in the phone pings and the missing time at either end of ScW's phone pinging the Gunthorpe mast that Saturday lunchtime. Plus the window of opportunity in the early hours in the dark and rain, again in the Gunthorpe area. He only needs the one opportunity. He's a 'man on the edge'. How much was instinct and how much planning?
     
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    I would find it highly unlikely that the roundabout was used either for a temporary site or burial site. The roundabout itself is adjoined by 5 exits, or which 2 are dual carriageways. To be able to cross over in to it would be risky, dangerous and way too likely to be spotted! MOO
     
  11. Tortoise

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    Yes I've just been back to trawl the first thread. @Homo Habilis made a post about police search team being based at the Barn Garden Centre and then there was this article -

    "The murder investigation into missing teenager Bernadette Walker has returned to Peterborough, with search teams descending on water-filled ditches and nearby fields.

    On October 1 the search for Bernadette Walker moved back to Gunthorpe near the city centre, and officers and police vehicles were spotted in the fields adjacent to the garden centre in that area.

    Over the course of this weekend the search for Bernadette continued in the wind and rain around the same area of Peterborough.

    On Sunday October 4, specialist officers also took to the water in the ditches around the Gunthorpe and Werrington areas of the city to continue the hunt."

    (19 photos of the search in this article)

    Specialist dive teams search water-filled ditches in teen murder inquiry

    back to trawling...
     
  12. mrazda71

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    5th October article -

    "Search teams in Gunthorpe at the weekend have moved to Newborough.

    A police spokeswoman said: "Searches have moved from Cowbit to the Gunthorpe area of Peterborough and we are expecting to be there for the whole week.

    "Officers are currently searching fields between Gunthorpe and Newborough."

    Peterborough murder inquiry search for Bernadette Walker continues
     
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    6th October article -

    "The search for Bernadette Walker moved across to Newborough yesterday, October 5, as the investigation moves into its fourth week.

    A spokesman from Cambridgeshire Constabulary said: "This is forming part of the Gunthorpe search. Officers are currently searching fields between Gunthorpe and Newborough."

    October 1 saw green spaces near the Gunthorpe Road and Paston Parkway roundabout searched.

    As of October 5, search teams have moved over to land in Newborough. "

    https://www.peterboroughmatters.co.uk/local-news/peterborough-search-for-bernadette-walker-moves-to-newborough-21896?
     
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    The Police searched Julie Hogg's house a number of times only for her body to be found under the bath three months later. Did they search the woods between Car Dyke and the A15? They thought this area may be significant back in October when the vegetation had grown. If I were searching now, revisiting this area would be top of my list.
     
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    RSBM

    Have I missed an update where this pub car park was definitively identified as a stopping place for car AND phone?

    To my certain knowledge, back in 2008 phones could be positioned to within 3m with later updates intended to give 1m resolution, so it would be possible to state precisely where the phone was last pinged.

    And why leave the car when all you need do is leave the phone?

    As I say, if I've missed this update, apologies!
     
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  18. MIdge28

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    No can’t make today but I will definitely go Monday and hopefully Tuesday @mrazda71 .
     
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    No. It's a 5-hour round trip for me. I would have made the trip to see SaW being cross-examined. But sadly this isn't to be.
     
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    Excellent, MIdge28!
     
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