GUILTY UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #5

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  1. dunkley

    dunkley "Coincidence doesn't exist"

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    'Sexual Abuse' is a broad term that covers every type of abuse.
    Scott was arrested on suspicion of murder, IIRC, nothing else.
    There was no formal allegation of rape, or anything else, by Bernadette. So in effect, no evidence. No statement, and no complaint.
     
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    That's what I sthought too, until Tortoise shared an article specifying a rape allegation.

     
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    Ok. I didn't see that article myself
     
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    The video shows police saying to Scott "we are arresting you for sexual assault of a child".
     
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    Unfortunately you have to sign up to make a comment but I would certainly be given ‘Carly Beech’ a piece of our minds.
     
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    So very sad. Did this not raise alarm bells among her friends ? Her social media mad mother. devoted Brother? Why was no one there for this poor sad girl? Shocking
     
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    Operator: Is her phone switched on now?

    Sarah Walker: No..... She didn't take her charger

    CLANG! She back-peddled there mentioning the charger quickly, but not before saying she knew her phone was switched off, and no "maybe she used a friends charger"
     
  11. dunkley

    dunkley "Coincidence doesn't exist"

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    Thank you, SM!
    I couldn't find the footage, so that helps enormously.
    I am curious as to exactly how they were intending to proceed, because without a detailed statement of complaint from Bernadette, where did the evidence come from? Certainly not Bernadette, and there was nothing forensically at that stage, or indeed since.
    What it *did* do was get Scott into custody, and enable post-arrest searches.
     
  12. jackal67

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    Just thinking about this , perhaps they too had received fake texts from Bees phone stating that she had run away and the abuse allegations were lies? Or they had been shown the fake texts SaW sent to herself from Bees phone .
    I guess at this point they had no reason to believe she had been harmed? Surely all the occupants of the house would have been questioned by police as a matter of course and statements taken?
     
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    sadly no. Until it was reviewed externally two months in, and then given high priority due to the nature of allegations, they were happy just agreeing with the parents. I’ve never seen a missing child case so inept. It’s actually angering to look into how little they actually did
     
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    Thank you for sharing this link Bear!
     
  15. Tortoise

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    Bernadette had told friends online.
    Bernadette sent messages to her mum.
    Sarah messaged Bernadette on 17th to say she was taking Scott into the police station to report the allegations.
    Sarah told Scott's step-mother JW that she had made allegations, and Bernadette had told JW it was the truth.
    Sarah and Scott self-reported to police on 22nd July, saying the allegations were false.
    Sarah's boyfriend knew Bernadette had made allegations because he knew Sarah was angry about it.
    Scott told officers before his arrest that two of Bernadette's brothers were aware of her allegations.
    One of the allegations was to do with cameras Scott had set up to record Bernadette. He didn't deny it in court, so they must have had proof he couldn't refute.
    Police also saw him deleting things from his phone he admitted he didn't want anyone to see.

    With the alleged victim, a minor, disappeared since she made the allegations, and her parents admissions that allegations were made, I'd say police had grounds to make an arrest on suspicion of sexual assault.

    It's a shame whoever made the charging decisions didn't pursue the charges, based on all of the above, as well as Bernadette's diary, the parents admitting they used her phone because they didn't want social services to investigate, and based on the motive for murder.

    moo
     
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    I did wonder where and how SaW met ScW. I find it very distasteful and strange when a person goes straight to the papers with their stories. Personally I would be horrified to share my association with a murderer and would keep a very low profile MOO
     
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    I cannot get away from the joint enterprise charge, and why it was dropped.

    So we now know (officially, that is) that Sarah knew - almost immediately, it seems - that Scott killed Bernadette. From Sarah's calm, detail-rich lies to the police, the driving around at the dead of night (we assume disposing of Bernadette's body), the endless lies and half-truths to cover tracks and lay new ones, to her social media 'PLEASE FIND MY DAUGHTER!' pleas and (this one doesn't half rankle with me) pleading with Bernadette to 'please come home, darling, no one is cross with you' etc. etc: at every turn, she knew that Scott had killed her daughter.

    Where was the heartbreak? The shock? The utter horror at what Scott had done? The desperation to get all of her children away from the monster who had killed her daughter?

    It was...nowhere. Life went on.

    Because - imoo - she knew exactly what Scott was going to do before he did it. I cannot reasonably believe otherwise. In which case, joint enterprise, surely? He was despatched to kill Bernadette, and Sarah calmly went through her doomed daughter's social media accounts, knowing darn well that poor Bernadette wouldn't be using them again.

    Having been found guilty of murder, if Scott cracks and admits something akin to this, can joint enterprise charges be brought afresh on the basis that Sarah was never tried on them?

    I don't believe for one moment that Sarah and Scott did not plan Bernadette's murder together.

    All imoo, obv.
     
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    After listening to the call this morning I’m so convinced Sarah knew from the beginning. I know not everyone will act the same but when my family member, an alternative girl aged 16, was missing, after two hours her mother was constantly ringing the police, was out in her own car, crying her eyes out and beside herself. Sarah is just cold on the phone. I might try and transcribe it for people who don’t have time to listen if anyone wants that.

    Edit: She also says Bernadette has no mental health issues but Bernadette repeatedly references depression and anxiety in her posts and calls herself “panicky”
     
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    100% agree with everything you have said. The thing that rankles me the most is the £5000 reward given by mum on the missing poster!!!
     
  20. jackal67

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    That would be helpful to me as couldn't hear most of it
     
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