UK UK - Bristol, WhtMale 571UMUK, 25-35, fell from Clifton bridge, May'96

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  1. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    West Glamorgan would suggest Cardiff rather than Swansea.

    I was thinking further about the student card. Was it one recognisably issued by the NUS or by a university? If the latter, I wonder whether the colour of the cover might help narrow down the institution which issued it.
     


  2. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    I see that despite this chap being found pretty soon after his death, none of the official sources mention fingerprints, dental details or DNA being on file. Even if 1996 was too early for DNA to be taken routinely surely the fingerprints were taken and a dental chart drawn up. If not, it's about time they dug him up for dental charting and DNA and isotope testing. This really should be so solvable.
     
  3. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Very interesting link, thanks for posting it, this story was particularly moving.
     
  4. webnut

    webnut Member

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    Here it is

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  5. Janeway

    Janeway New Member

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    Probably a bit of a long shot, but do you think this could be him:

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    Denis Walsh

    (left pic and 2nd from the right show what he looked like just before he disappeared. The black&white pic is an age-progression sketch to age 30. The right pic is older and shows what he looked like before he grew out his hair & beard)

    From his Doe Network site:


    • Missing since March 9, 1996 from Limerick, Ireland
    • Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 6'0".
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Fair hair; blue eyes. Medium build.

    Walsh was last seen at home in Limerick, Ireland on March 9, 1996. He left the house one afternoon and never returned. Despite items on TV and in the newspapers, where some suspected sightings were reported, nothing has been heard from him since. In the first six months after his disappearance, there were a number of reported sightings of Dennis some around Limerick and also in Ennis and Dublin. A person like him was also reported boarding the Isle of Man Ferry at Belfast. But nothing has come so far from these sightings and there have not been any more sightings since.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/1570dmirl.html


    I also found some more info about his case
    here:

    "Denis Walsh was 23 years old when he vanished in March 1996. The youngest of five children, he left the family home at Caherdavin Heights on a Saturday morning and his family have not seen or heard from him since. On the day he disappeared he was later sighted in a wine bar in Limerick city. The following Wednesday there was a reported sighting of him in a coffee shop in Limerick, where a witness thought she saw him reading a book about Buddhism. A bus driver said it was possible Denis might have later taken a bus to the Ballysimon area of Limerick.[...]

    Two months after his disappearance, Denis's case featured on Crimeline, and a man from Belfast rang the Gardaí to say that he believed he recognised Denis. He said that on 9 May a man matching Denis's description had arrived at the Sea Cat terminal at Donegal Quay in Belfast enquiring about a sailing to the Isle of Man. The man bought a ticket for the next morning's crossing, but subsequent enquiries suggested that he hadn't travelled on the ferry.[...]

    Denis did not own a car, so if he had travelled to Belfast, he must have used public transport or got a lift. There has been no sign of Denis Walsh since 1996.[...]

    At the time of his disappearance, Denis had been studying economics in Limerick. He also wrote poetry, and sometimes signed his name 'Daithí Breathnach'. His family have made enquiries at New Age travellers encampments and also considered if he might have been enticed into a sect in Co. Fermanagh.[...]

    'Our son may have stayed in Ireland, or he could have eventually travelled to the Isle of Man or to England, or anywhere else.' [...]

    There is no suggestion of foul play in relation to Denis Walsh's disappearance."



    He's the same height as Bristol John Doe, has the same eye and hair colour and hair length. He was a student of economics at the University of Limerick, so I'm sure he had a student ID card. The timeline checks out, he disappeared 2 months before the body was found. Someone thought they saw him in Belfast at a ferry terminal on 9 May 1996, buying a ticket to the Isle of Man for the next day. Even if he didn't take the ferry, he somehow could have travelled to mainland Britain (Liverpool?), down the Welsh coast past West Clamorgan (where he got the Thomas More book) to Bristol (body found 19 May). As an Irishman he was probably catholic which could explain the bible. Also his parents feared he might have joined a cult and someone thought they saw him reading a book about Buddhism, so spiritual stuff must have interested him. It sounds like he was travelling around and had no permanent home or work which could explain some of the items Bristol Doe had with him (household stuff, toiletries, umbrella etc. indicate that he was living in the street; the sign sounds like he was begging for money).

    I think a lot speaks for Denis, OTOH, I find it hard to recognise him in the Doe photo, maybe because his appearance changed so much. I think the age-progression sketch is the one that resembles the unknown man the most but we don't know how accurate it is. Denis is also a bit too young and we don't know for sure if he ever left Ireland.
     
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  6. Tulessa

    Tulessa Well-Known Member

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    Everything is different, even the ears. The eyes, the nose and look at the lips. IMO.
     
  7. jessie

    jessie Well-Known Member

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    Just adding this
    Link for photos on here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?262635-Ireland-Dennis-Walsh-23-Limerick-19-Mar-1996
     
  8. jessie

    jessie Well-Known Member

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    Image result for dennis walsh missing DWALSH3.jpg Wow I think I managed to post a pic :blushing: I think there is quite

    quite a similarity with John Doe. Janeway you may be on to something here hopefully. 29_03-001329.jpg
     
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  9. Janeway

    Janeway New Member

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    thanks Jessie for posting the pic, they somehow don't show up in my post, sorry about that. I'll try again with the others:

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    I hope you can see them now. again, the long haired ones show him what he last looked like, b&w is age-progression, the pic Jessie posted shows him at a younger age (if his student ID photo was already a couple of years old, he probably would have looked like that one in it).
     
  10. jessie

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    Just seen this article which mentions this John Doe, as well as others. No more details than those Al Ka has posted I expect, but posting it here for interest.


    Read more at http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/the-1...9646082-detail/story.html#2eKBYHdraQDmliHJ.99
     
  11. Ellmau

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    He definitely looks similar, and combined with the timeline that looks like a promising lead.
     
  12. Al Ka

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    By the way Janeway :wagon: to Websleuths
     
  13. Al Ka

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    Wow, this is actually quite good article and just 2 days old!!! I had no idea that there are actually so many UIDs around River Avon in Brisol. Also a bit surprised reporter published post mortem photos publicly, but really great news that this and other cases having some new air time. I hope we have inspired them a bit :dance:.

    Also curious what database reporter copied UIDs information from as even though all of them are listed at http://missingpersons.police.uk/en/result/lnSN44F some little details he/she published are just not there.
     
  14. Janeway

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    Thanks for the welcome, Al Ka :)

    I've submitted Denis as possible match on Doe Network. If nothing comes of it we at least know it's not him.

    I also think it's good that there's more publicity about the Does. The pictures may not be great to look at but I think the UIDs are more likely to get identified if their cases are accessible to as many people as possible.

    A thing I meant to ask about our Bristol Doe: it says that he "fell" off the bridge but from what I understand this bridge is a suicide hotspot and he'd destroyed his ID, so it's likely that he jumped? Do they treat it as an accident because no one actually saw him and there's no note or why do they say he fell?
     
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  15. webnut

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    Crikey, that place didnt last well, by the 80's it was a run down ice rink and cinema, not sure what is there now. Absolutely nothing to do with John Doe though.
     
  16. webnut

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    I have been in touch with Christine Forth-Eglon, the mother of missing Mark Forth-Eglon and she has looked at the photo of our UID and says it's not Mark. Keep looking guys.
     
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    jessie Well-Known Member

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    I am no doubt wide of the mark, but I have to ask if this latest news article could have a connection to Mark Forth-Eglon?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-38017409

    Clay head appeal fails to identify 2002 Northampton bushes body

    A clay model of the man's head was released in 2014 in an effort to solve the mystery
    A clay model depicting the face of a man found dead in bushes 14 years ago has failed to help identify him, police have said.

    A number of items were also found with the body, including a beige sleeping bag, a black Equinox fleece jacket, a blue Viale work wear top, a green and brown Jet Flow Torille 40 Outbound rucksack, cigarette lighters, a purple comb and hairbrush, a glasses case and lens cloth and a damaged black and white photograph.
    The man was wearing a pair of blue and grey New Balance trainers, white socks, navy Petroleum track-suit bottoms, a pair of boxer shorts, a long-sleeved Polo-style top and a short-sleeved Polo-style top. _92497822_33487b1f-310c-49d8-b916-75c164cc6c00.jpg
     
  19. LucyOso

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    This seems like it should be so easy to solve :-(
     
  20. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    Yes, agreed. Even with the dates and other details scratched off there could be some clues to be gained, eg from the colour of the union membership card. Mine at Leeds was navy blue, but I imagine other universities and polytechnics used other colours which would help to narrow things down. And if there was something left of the crest or coat of arms on the front, it may be possible to match it up to a particular institution.

    Not quite the same thing. In the UK you can be regarded as homeless if you are, for example, kipping on a friend's sofa for a few weeks but cannot stay there longterm. Sleeping rough is therefore a different thing.
     

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