I don’t think we’re stopping them doing any of their investigations. It’s great that these things are discussed and no harm is caused. The idea that only the authorities can look into the actions of authorities is Kafkaesque, with respect."off any of them, I thought they'd have been looking all day Saturday."
Quote taken from the article with the interview of the friend.
Answer to this .... there is NO reason the police would have been looking for them 'all day Saturday' because they hadn't been reported as missing to the police at that point. It wasn't until later on Saturday evening that three MFH reports were made to Gwent Police. Gwent covers Newport, so I am guessing this was the three girls.
The other report was made to South Wales Police on Sunday evening. SW covers Cardiff, so I am guessing this to be one of the two men. My gut says RJ.
Tracking phones and ANPR is NOT the first line of any MFH enquiry. Local enquiries, visiting known associates, and making phone calls is usually the first line of attack. Plus circulating the registration number of the car. But - would that actually have been known until the owner of the car was reported MFH? Information gained from the person reporting. There has been no suggestion that any of the girls owned it.
Someone must have been told they were going on to Porthcawl and Cardiff. Or how would that information be known. Again, I am guessing this may well have come from the sixth person that has been mentioned, but not named. I am very sure the police know exactly who it is, and will be getting as much information from that person as possible.
Ultimately, we are not investigating this tragedy, the police and IOPC ARE.
We should now allow them to get on with it.
As in many other cases - everything will be made public in due course. At the Inquests, or any possible future legal proceedings.
For the families it was an agonising 48 hours though. They have said they tried to report their girls missing earlier on Saturday.the news paper headlines keep talking about 48 hours but if it wasnt reported til nearly 7pm Saturday night it was hardly 48 hours so that is misleading.
According to the article I posted it says "According to Gwent Policet he first report of a missing person was taken at 7.34pm on Saturday 4th March with additional missing person reports made to Gwent Police at 7.43pm and 9.32pm the same day, and to South Wales Police at 5.37pm on Sunday 5th March." I assume the police would have call logs etc?For the families it was an agonising 48 hours though. They have said they tried to report their girls missing earlier on Saturday.
I'm not disputing what the police say!According to the article I posted it says "According to Gwent Policet he first report of a missing person was taken at 7.34pm on Saturday 4th March with additional missing person reports made to Gwent Police at 7.43pm and 9.32pm the same day, and to South Wales Police at 5.37pm on Sunday 5th March." I assume the police would have call logs etc?
Five in six years. I am guessing from the location (junction at roundabout) the majority, if not all, of those would be damage-only, rear-end shunts.
I do agree with you . I think the public should be able to ping their peoples phones. Like special permission contacts. Where you allow who can. Save tax payers lots of money and make people able to find their own ,when LE will not . Its a tool and it is useful and we should be able to use itThe police have abilities that ordinary civilians don't have. If they bothered to track their phones, for example, it would have led to a few hundred square yards where they could have been found, leading to a more intensive search in the target area.
The volunteers didn't find them because they have no such abilities. It's not fair to criticise them for not finding the group when unlike the police, they don't have the expertise, equipment or facilities to do so.
I think criticism of the police is warranted in this case because the mother of a survivor has already said they weren't interested. I don't think it's victim-friendly to be disputing her account.
There are apps for that. No need to ping phones. GPS tracking is far far more accurate that cell tower triangulation anyway.I do agree with you . I think the public should be able to ping their peoples phones. Like special permission contacts. Where you allow who can. Save tax payers lots of money and make people able to find their own ,when LE will not . Its a tool and it is useful and we should be able to use it
So based on that the police actually found them within about 30 hours of them being reported missing. So not as long as first suggested.#STATEMENT | South Wales Police is continuing to investigate a fatal road traffic collision on the A48 in the St Mellons area of Cardiff.
Emergency services discovered a Volkswagen Tiguan vehicle at 12.15am on Monday 6th March after the police helicopter, police and fire officers were deployed to the scene.
The families of Rafel Jeanne, Darcy Ross and Eve Smith, who died in the collision, continue to be supported by specialist family liaison officers.
Two further people remain in critical condition at the University Hospital of Wales.
Following initial police investigations into the collision, we can confirm that:
- The last confirmed sighting of the five people was at 2am on Saturday 4th March in Pentwyn.
- The collision occurred during the early hours of Saturday 4th March, the exact time to be confirmed by the investigation, including CCTV and ANPR enquiries.
- The first missing person report was made to Gwent Police at 7.34pm on Saturday 4th March.
- Further missing person reports were made to Gwent Police at 7.43pm and 9.32pm on Saturday 4th March.
- A further missing person report was made to South Wales Police at 5.37pm on Sunday 5th March.
- At 11.50pm on Sunday 5th March the police helicopter was requested to search an area of Cardiff which resulted in a vehicle being located in a wooded area off the A48.
- Gwent Police officers, who were in the area conducting enquiries during Sunday evening, discovered a Volkswagen Tiguan vehicle at 12.15am on Monday 6th March.
- At this stage we believe only one vehicle to be involved.
Assistant Chief Constable Jason Davies of South Wales Police said: “Our thoughts continue to be with the families and all those affected by this tragic incident. Specialist officers are carrying out a detailed investigation to piece together what has happened. Family liaison officers are supporting the families involved at what must be a hugely difficult time for them.”
Full statement here: https://www.south-wales.police.uk/n...ent-from-south-wales-police-and-gwent-police/
According to the key in the bottom left hand corner, yellow pins are "slight severity", red are severe and black are fatal.
This, things like Apple Family, Find my iPhone etc., are useless if a battery is dead. What the authorities can do is find from the service providers where the phones were when they left the network, which in cases like this (and thousands others) is the most important bit of information.There are apps for that. No need to ping phones. GPS tracking is far far more accurate that cell tower triangulation anyway.
I sure hope the ones who died did so immediately, and didn't have some injury that would have been treatable had they been discovered in time.Oh yeah I’m not disputing anything, just stating it, highlighting that they were sat there for 2 days on a busy a route.