UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #14

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  1. Jenesaisquoi

    Jenesaisquoi Well-Known Member

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    Telephone order?
     
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  2. keep-it-real

    keep-it-real Well-Known Member

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    It was popular to have a next catalouge. Orders could be made over the phone or by post.
     
  3. UKjester

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    Just wondering about her mobile phone movements. From the reports I naively thought the reports suggested there was a single mast Covering the east of York. From google street view there is a mast at the top of east parade in 2008. A quick search shows that there were as many as 45 masts in operation in central York in 2002 with a further 37 masts further afield.

    I am no expert but Surely there must have been triangulation in 2009 to locate phones?
    This gives me the theory that perhaps her phone didn’t leave her house and did someone revisit around midday on the 19th to turn the phone off?
    Tracking of mobile phone movements must have been possible in Heworth and Acomb to give better location tracking?

    am I off the mark again or are the NYP not disclosing something?
     
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    Have the details surrounding PL funeral been made public, when and where will he be buried...? I’d like to take a few minutes on that day for quiet reflection. I hope one day his daughter can be buried beside him
     
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    It could be a catalogue where you order over the phone, I think Next used to do that before everything went online
     
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    of had a catalogue and that’s why she spent half her life posting letters
     
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    I found Gerrad Tubb's remark in The Donal McIntyres Tv doc interesting perhaps it answers your question.
    he says
    'She had made calls to her parents which the police have never revealed where she was then she made those calls and of course they have a pretty good idea from the cell phone data but for operational reasons they have kept that to themselves and having made those calls she was never heard from again'
    start at 13.19
     
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    BlonderRabbit,
    I notice that throughout these threads you ventilate on several occasions that the "Police used the bus footage to draw attentions to the white Astra van, they allowed the footage to continue down Heworth road allowing the perps they have been seen suv ect."
    For clarification, what SUV and Perps are you referencing in that video?
    White Vauxhall Astra Van
    Many thanks in advance,
     
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    I'm sure Claudia's family and friends would have some idea about her drinking habits: what she drank and what type of glass she preferred etc. Also; some individuals do not like drinking in the house

    Like others have suggested; I wonder If the bins gave any clues to what was eaten or drank. Similarly; would the contents of the fridge give any clues

    The plates and cutlery suggest 1 meal, but having 2 long knives present is strange?. And 4 glasses!; was this an attempt to make it look like 4 people had been present?
     
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    No, I can remember placing orders by telephone to next at that time. They did stop producing the catalogues at some point though so you'd need t internet to browse.
    Also if you're in store and can't get something you like in your size you can arrange delivery, if you have an account, which she obviously did.
     
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    If the camera has gone 'missing'; surely this would suggest someone Claudia knew had something to do with her disappearance. A perpetrator that was a stranger, would unlikely be on the camera
     
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    Members of the public can help with cold case views, can't they? It would be interesting to see the unreleased evidence sometime soon.
     
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    Thank you for this video link, it certainly implies there is more information to pin point her movements.

    However the CCTV focussing around her house, to me, suggests that she hadn’t moved away from home on the Wednesday evening or at least not without her phone.

    In my opinion it would have been that there was someone in her presence that evening or let themselves (using keys)into her property whilst she was asleep and smothered her. She was then removed.
    The text message to JK was a cover up as it reportedly contained incorrect information regarding her shifts and typed with out a kiss. I think the guilty person is known to JK or could not be that she herself walked across the road that evening to 46 and things got out of hand?
    My interest in the case was created by watching the recent programme on channel 5 and JK’s behaviour. This was from someone I hadn’t seen before and mentioned to my Mrs she was involved. All in my opinion and the Mrs mocked me as if playing a game of Cluedo
     
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    Its my opinion completely but I think what you are seeing recorded on the bus cam is activity occurring after 'the event'
     
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    Or did it arrive on the Wednesday while she was at work and she went out again to collect it from East Parade PO (2.50-3.05pm)?
     
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    Again this is a fresh pair of eyes, I hadn’t viewed this footage previously. Sorry if this has been discussed....
    is the white Astra van actually involved? It appears too far from 46.
    There appears to be two vehicles parked closely together on the kerb outside 46, odd on a road of this layout as it would encourage people to park on the opposite side. Have these images been cleaned up?
    There is a white van parked on the opposite side of the road closer to HP. The oncoming cars pull around it so it is clearly stopped with the headlights on.


    After seeing this I would certainly be inclined to believe this was after the event. However, lack of a crime scene or evidence at 46. Did she get in one of the cars willingly or was escorted?
    Did her phone get left behind? Would they have gone to the level of planning to take the rucksack?
    However well planned , I cannot see that a potential criminal would review bus routes in advance to make sure they weren’t captured on camera.
     
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    There has never been anything about a missing camera as far as I know.
     
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    ''In my opinion it would have been that there was someone in her presence that evening or let themselves (using keys)into her property whilst she was asleep and smothered her. She was then removed.''



    Maybe the person that let themself in was not the person Claudia was expecting to enter her room in the dark. Perhaps that's why no noise was heard because Claudia was not expecting the visitor to be volatile
     
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