UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #17

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  1. Greater Than

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    Fears growing for missing RAF serviceman who vanished after night out

    28 September 2016

    Concerns were growing today for the safety of a young military [service]man who vanished after a night out and may have tried to walk eight miles back to his base.

    [...]

    Camera operators saw him getting up and walking off - but he failed to return to Honington, the headquarters of the RAF Force Protection who guard UK military installations around the world.

    Despite an appeal to motorists, villagers along the serviceman&#8217;s route and a search by the Suffolk police helicopter there has been no trace of him.

    Corrie is described as white, 5ft 10ins tall, medium build, with short light brown hair. He was wearing a light-pink polo shirt and white jeans when last seen.


    Corrie&#8217;s uncle says family&#8217;s experts will help police not replace them

    09 January 2017

    Missing airman Corrie McKeague&#8217;s uncle has explained how the family bringing in private experts is to help the police investigation, not start their own.

    Speaking on a Facebook Live session on Saturday evening, Tony [W]ringe explained how Suffolk Police had finite resources and other cases, including murders, to investigate so they faced constraints.

    [...]

    A Just Giving appeal raised more than £52,000 and the family last week announced it had brought in McKenzie Intelligence Services (MIS) who have expertise in data collection, collation and analysis; imagery intelligence; human intelligence; signals intelligence; technical/communications intelligence and surveillance.

    Mr Wringe said MIS would be able to bring together the massive amount of data available, ranging from Facebook messages, through CCTV to Suffolk Lowland Search and Rescue&#8217;s search mapping.


    Missing airman Corrie McKeague to become a father, girlfriend reveals

    09 January 2017

    RAF serviceman Corrie Mckeague - who has been missing for more than three months - is due to become a father, his girlfriend has said.

    Speaking to BBC Look East today (January 9), personal trainer April Oliver, 21, from West Norfolk, told how she had become pregnant after a relationship with the 23-year-old, who is from Fife, in Scotland, and stationed with the RAF regiment at RAF Honington in Suffolk

    In an interview with BBC Look East, Miss Oliver said she discovered she was pregnant in October - just weeks after Mr Mckeague&#8217;s disappearance after a night out in Bury St Edmunds.

    [...]

    She is expecting their baby to be born in late spring/early summer.

    The pair had been together for about five months after meeting on a dating site. Miss Oliver had met his family.

    Mr Mckeague did not know about the pregnancy.


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    ADMIN NOTE: The Facebook page is now OFF LIMITS.

    You may refer to Corrie's website as a source for updates from the family: www.findcorrie.co.uk

    As always, LE and MSM references are preferred.

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    Suffolk Police Update

    10 February 2017

    Police will be carrying out a search at a landfill site in Milton in Cambridgeshire as part of ongoing enquiries to try to discover what has happened to missing Corrie McKeague.

    Since the start of the investigation police have been working through all possibilities in an ongoing bid to discover where Corrie is. The work has been prioritised with the most likely scenarios being examined in detail and other possibilities also being explored.

    One of these lines of enquiry has been in respect of waste collections from the area, known as the horseshoe, around the time of the last sighting of Corrie.

    It was known, and CCTV shows, that a waste lorry made a collection in the area a short time after the last confirmed sighting of Corrie and the lorry was seized in the early stages of the enquiry for forensic examination. This did not reveal any traces of him, however the waste collection has been one line of enquiry police have persisted with and kept under constant review.

    Throughout the investigation a search of the site has been a consideration as police have worked through the possible options as to what may have happened to Corrie, with officers looking at the feasibility and logistics of carrying out this search.

    The area of the landfill site where waste collected from Bury St Edmunds that morning was deposited has not had further items put onto it since police alerted the site, early in the investigation, to the possibility that this may need to be searched.

    The search will be a considerable task. The area identified is more than 920 square metres of waste down to a maximum depth of eight metres and it is estimated that it is likely take a team of specialist search trained police officers six to ten weeks to complete the work required. The safety and welfare of the officers who will undertake the search and the noise and odour implications for local residents have all been factors that police have to take into consideration.

    On-site preparatory work is already underway and the full scale search likely to commence around Wednesday 22 February once this initial work has been completed. The preparation will include building access ways to the area to be searched, carrying out scoping work, and putting appropriate facilities on the site to allow this search to be carried out in a thorough and comprehensive way.

    Detectives investigating the case have kept an open mind from the start as to what may have occurred to Corrie and have been working to confirm why and how he went missing.

    This has involved a systematic examination of the possible options including using CCTV, phone and social media analysis, searches, media appeals, talking to those who had contact with Corrie, investigating his background and social life and tracing those who were out in Bury St Edmunds at the time of the last sighting – 3.25am on Saturday 24 September.

    Corrie was reported as missing to Suffolk Police at around 3.40pm on Monday 26 September by RAF Honington, having not reported for duty. At that stage the last time he had been seen was 2am on Saturday 24. Work immediately began to try and find him. Police formally publicised him as missing in the early hours of Tuesday 27 September, after basic checks had been carried out.

    Since then thousands of hours of police time have been spent on carrying out hundreds of enquiries to try and find him. The work carried out by Suffolk Police has been reviewed by other constabularies and a variety of other organisations have helped in the searches and investigation, including the RAF and Suffolk Lowland Search and Rescue.

    Detective Superintendent Katie Elliott said; “This is the next logical step in the investigation. Behind the scenes we have been working systematically through the options and we have examined a very broad range of evidence. This has involved an extensive examination of CCTV, phone and social media analysis, searches, media appeals, talking to those who had contact with Corrie, investigating his background and social life and tracing those who were out in Bury St Edmunds at the time of the last sighting – 3.25am on Saturday 24 September.

    “Preparation work is already underway for the search and this will be progressed as quickly as possible. There are some measures that we need to put in place before the full search work starts as, in addition to the pressing need to find Corrie, we also have to consider local residents, site workers and the officers who will be carrying out the job of going through the waste.

    “We know that physically searching the site has the potential to cause an increase in odour and we hope residents will understand that we and the site owners have taken this into consideration when making a decision to go ahead with the search. However we also hope they will understand why we are doing this as part of our continuing investigation to find Corrie.

    “We need to find him and discover what happened to him. While the search may not provide the answers as to what happened it is something we need to do as our investigation continues.”

    Police are liaising with Corrie’s family to keep them informed about what is planned, and will also be working to let residents in the area know why the work is being carried out.

    Anyone with information about his disappearance is asked to call the incident room at Suffolk Police on 01473 782019.
     
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    The "victim friendly" rule extends to the family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, and others who have not been designated as suspects is not allowed. Don't make random accusations, suggest their involvement, nor bash and attack them. Posting their personal information, including names, addresses, and background data -- even if it is public -- is not allowed. That does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media.


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    Corrie's girlfriend is OFF LIMITS to sleuthing. You may discuss what has been published in MSM regarding her, but you may not dig into social media or other pages in an effort to obtain more information and/or photos of her. She is a victim, and the above "victim friendly" rule extends to her.

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    You are free to give as much or as little weight as you choose to the information provided by the family via their website http://www.findcorrie.co.uk. What you cannot do, however, is bash them, attack them, or suggest their involvement in Corrie's disappearance. Unless and until LE states otherwise, they are innocent victims who are desperate to find their loved one.

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  7. Shiressleuth

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    The police update posted by Gt states that when C was reported missing at 03.40 p.m. on the Monday, his last sighting was at 02.00a.m.
    I can't work out what that means because presumably he was still in the Hughes doorway at that time so does that mean he left the doorway at 02.00 a.m. because he would have continued being on the cctv till 03.23 wouldn't he? Or perhaps 02.00 a.m. is when a friend last physically saw him. This has confused me a bit so could others have a read and interpret. Cheers.
     
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    Yes - sounds like the person/people who checked on him while he was in the doorway might have been someone he knew then. The fact that the police knew about it so quickly (before the CCTV had been reviewed - at which point his 'last seen' time would have changed to 3.20ish) would certainly suggest that. JMO.
     
  9. DanceCard

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    Yes, was just about to say similar.
     
  10. TheTruthWillOut

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    It is a bit puzzling and random....The only thing I can think of is the 'member of public' that checked on him was in fact a Police officer or other official and the incident recorded?
     
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    It says "at that stage the last time he had been seen was 2am on September 24"

    I'd take this to mean that, on the 26th, which is the "at that stage" they refer to, they hadn't yet checked the later CCTV which provided further sightings.

    ETA that others could well be right that there was a reported physical sighting in the doorway at 2am.
     
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    Would the 2am sighting, which they state, 'at that time', be the witnesses they had, lift offered home etc, prior to LE watching the CCTV of him in the doorway.
     
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    &#8220;This is going to be so difficult to try and deal with every single day &#8211; as I know what they are looking for.


    &#8220;We are so relieved in one sense, but it is going to be horrific, for eight weeks possibly, just waiting around for any news.&#8221;

    http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/timeline...onington_serviceman_corrie_mckeague_1_4885124


    Nicola also said she is very grateful to the Milton community, who will have to face the disruption from foul smells. Quote from eadt article today. BBM
     
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    haven't they always been saying that the last confirmed sighting was the CCTV at 3.25! unless that can no longer be confirmed, yet another confusing statement,
     
  15. DanceCard

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    That is the last confirmed sighting that we're aware of now. But when C was first reported missing they hadn't yet checked the cctv so the last confirmed sighting time was earlier. Before they looked at cctv. That's what I think is being said
     
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    Not just the community, I feel for the police officers who have to take part in this search. It will be horrendous.
     
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    Just a quick thought after a couple of beers.
    We know the bin lorry weighs each bin and records its weight but what if someone was thrown in the back past the weighing scales or whilst the vehicle was maneuvering. Maybe someone who knows about these vehicles could comment.


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    On Monday 26 September they knew that the last time he had been seen was 2am on Saturday 24 prior to viewing cctv footage....cctv images showed the 3.25 (and last known) sighting

     
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    I think, as the police and family may have already surmised, we should take any physical sightings of Corrie that night with a pinch of salt. We already know that MSM interviews with witnesses do not tally with what N and UT say they have learned recently <modsnip>
     
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    Apologies for the double post, was just trying to think of silver linings to LE inability to treat this as a crime from day one and I think I found one.

    The advantage that the police do now have is that they may have already interviewed some POI in more informal, "did you see this man?" type interviews fairly fresh after the event.

    If there is any evidence of foul play found and interviews under caution can be carried out, the earlier interviews may provide the opportunity to spot holes in their stories with greater clarity. The case moving from missing person inquiry into a full criminal investigation rather than the other way round may well have advantages to LE, as unintuitive as that may seem.
     
  21. Amonet

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    I interpreted it as the person Corrie went into Flex with was a work colleague and he gave a very rough guesstimate of 2am for the last time he saw Corrie in the club. He probably wouldn't be looking at his watch and just knew it was sort of mid-way between midnight and closing time?

    From the way I read it, it's the police saying that's what they could ascertain on that day that they were called out....and most of that would be from talking to the RAF guy in charge who's already questioned the lads in block to ask them when was the last time they remember seeing or having contact with Corrie.

    But as an investigation moves on, then the last sighting by that colleague would have gone back to 1 am ish, from 2 am, then the cctv was viewed and found the video of Corrie outside the grapes, the footage in the pizza place, and then finally the footage going to the horseshoe...but the police didn't know all of that on day 1.
     
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