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GUILTY UK - Ellie Butler, 6, brutally murdered, Sutton, 28 Oct 2013 #2

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  1. tlcya

    tlcya Well-Known Member

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    A dad on trial for the murder of his six-year-old daughter told police to f*** off when they quizzed him over her death, a court heard.


    Little Ellie Butler died in hospital on October 28 2013 after medics found her lying on her bedroom floor with "catastrophic injuries".


    Her parents, Ben Butler and Jennie Gray, called 999 in a panic claiming she had fallen off a stool.


    But when Butler, 36, was questioned by cops over her devastating head injuries, he became "hostile" and "aggressive", a court heard, claiming he had previously been a victim of a "miscarriage of justice".

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-butler-murder-trial-stay-7830946

    A man accused of murdering his six-year-old daughter in a fit of rage has described freezing in shock the moment he found her collapsed on the floor of her bedroom, and expressed regret for not phoning an ambulance until some hours later.


    “I couldn’t move, I couldn’t breathe properly,” Ben Butler told a jury at the Old Bailey. “I didn’t help the way I should have helped. I tried to help, I tried to shake her. She didn’t wake, she didn’t respond to what I did. I tried to breathe in her mouth, it didn’t work. It just took the wind of my sails. I still don’t know why I didn’t do more.”


    Butler, 36, who denies killing his daughter Ellie, said he should have called an ambulance when he could not revive her, but he collapsed on the floor himself.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/17/muder-accused-ben-butler-shock-daughters-death-court



    The prosecution claims Ellie died after suffering skull fractures from being thrown against a wall or hit with a heavy blunt weapon.


    The court has heard he was previously convicted for shaking Ellie as a baby, although this was later quashed on appeal.


    The couple then won a High Court judgement to have Ellie returned to their care in 2012.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36357835

    https://twitter.com/CourtNewsUK

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  2. Gigi-G

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    Open in Twitter App

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    Gray: when Post Mortem said she had "fractured scapula" I thought they were lying.
    23 May 2016, 14:55:30

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  3. tlcya

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    please continue discussion of the trial here.
     
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    Am moving over my posts of what JG has said today- maybe LB wants to do the same?( I'll do it for you if you are busy now)

    JG
    much more at the link guys - I'm snipping to keep to 10%
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/23/ben-butler-trial-partner-jennie-gray-abusive-texts

    Very interested to hear what our new posters ( obv our old ones too) think of what JG is saying, before I rant - LOL
     
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    BIB Anyone feeling sickened by her little flourishes?

    UL Part of the calculated scam- part of a claim the threats were never face to face - just words at a distance.
    ETA - Ok, let's see these text responses which say "course you will duckie", "whatevs", "talk to the hand" etc etc. Not seen any response like that from her in all the text exchanges.
     
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    Gah I join twitfix to get updates n I get a poxy link grr

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    Shocking claims

    as LegallyB mentioned - radiation!
    here's the snippet
    ".....Ellie might not have died if her abnormalities had been diagnosed earlier or if she had not been maltreated as a baby in St Helier. She claimed the hospital had overdosed the baby with an adult dose of radiation during tests and that it had caused injury to her baby during her birth"

    Cue Dr. Janice Orphoven ? ( ie. the final Def medical expert/gun for hire has made this suggestion perhaps and will testify to it later? Where else have they got this possibility from?)

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/23/ben-butler-trial-partner-jennie-gray-abusive-texts
     
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    But nevertheless. A threat to which she could of got BB arrested for.

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    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/734681822781669376?s=09
    "Jennie Gray breaks down in court describing day she hd to leave baby Ellie Butler with foster carer."

    Gigi, do you believe she rehearsed that - break down ?
    IMO It sounds rather like BB's "loss of control" , at the start of his testimony and his speedy ability to get back in the dock a few mins later.
     
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    She's playing up just like I thought she would. Just like BB. Oh poor poor me. No matter what happened to Ellie. Which tbh. If I was accused and I knew I was in the right and innocent I'd be standing there defending myself. Tears or no tears!


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    Well what would you do if you believe there was a malpractice issue?
    I would Sue the bloody place! Did they? No.........
    He was busy doing his legal studies in prison. She could of gotten hold of any number of Companies who do a no win no fee claim for compo.

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    DMail account is slightly different, only different bit is

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...trial-hear-evidence-mother.html#ixzz49UOvzGTW
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
     
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    About the same realm as her claimed 'botched' abortion.
    Thing is did she discharge herself cuz BB wanted her home as he had enough of the kids all day?
    If not. Then if she had to go in again. (By they way. They do a D&C usually after most terminations or miscarriages)
    Same again if she felt hard done by. Why not take it to a complaint?
    I'm finding much of her evidence very hard to swallow.


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    OMG I need to JUMP UP N DOWN N PULL MY HAIR OUT.... Jury please please watch her body language! Her eyes. her mannerisms.

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    It does rattle me tho. They've sat in the box all the time together. They could of hatched a nice lil matching plan. So they both get off with the minimum of sentences. And Ellie's for want of better words.... bloodied violent death. Is just a death?

    No way! That poor love was bullied battered and bashed. By a brute of a dad. N a mom who put a man over her children

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    A few more tweets in BBC correspondent's TL

    This is the best Twitter feed - as it seems he is in court today and reporting all her twaddle

    https://twitter.com/DannyShawBBC?lang=en-gb

    Some posters can't see Twitter so will just quote a few from him, first is newest 14 minutes ago :
    Pass me the sick bucket please! :puke:

    :pinocchio: :cuckoo:
     
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    Right guys, go to go for a while, if anyone else fancies pasting up tweets etc....
     

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