Discussion in 'Trials' started by zwiebel, May 10, 2015.
Hmmm. She had considered suicide so I am surprised that didn't give some doubt to the jury.
I suspect her awkward honesty about her own doubts told against Cilliers here. If she wanted him to be got off, as she evidently did, she could have said she had sabotaged the kit to commit suicide. But she stoutly denied it. And she seems to have left him to look after the kit. So I am not surprised the jury had no doubts about this assertion (which I don't think Cilliers' defence made last time, incidentally).
But why did she want him let off? Wouldn't he just try again?
Also, that critical injury policy he claimed on - will he now be done for insurance fraud too.
[QUOTE = "Moll, post: 14128194, member: 190978"]I suspect her awkward honesty about her own doubts told against Cilliers here. If she wanted him to be got off, as she evidently did, she could have said she had sabotaged the kit to commit suicide. But she stoutly denied it. And she seems to have left him to look after the kit. So I am not surprised the jury had no doubts about this assertion (which I don't think Cilliers' defence made last time, incidentally).[/QUOTE]
I just heard on the ITV news that the interview with Victoria Cilliers will be on Good Morning Britain tomorrow morning. I don't know if BBC have it as well. Perhaps this is instead of an impact statement for the court?!
Here's a link to the DM article with a short clip of the Good Morning Britain interview.
Will try and find the full interview later.
Again, don't know what to say really. Well, I do, but probably not allowed on here. Just shaking my head will have to do !
'He was a kind and loving husband': Army sergeant's wife DEFENDS him after he tried to kill her | Daily Mail Online
Another link, but not much more on this one
"I still can't get to grips with the whole 'my husband tried to kill me' slant", she added.
Parachute plot wife 'struggling to process' husband's betrayal
Good Morning Britain - Tuesday 29 May 6am
Full interview with VC starts at about 1h50m, but it's fiddly to get to the right place. Everytime you click on the timeline it makes you sit through a load of adverts.
ETA: It's a studio interview, different to the 2nd link Alyce has posted.
That is strong case of denial. Describing her husband as affectionate and caring. Apart from the parachute fall and gas pipe, does she not feel that the money issue and other women indicates betrayal and some serious issues. What else would it take for her to see the real relationship with him. Of course we don't know why she is defending him and could be something to do with how she viewed herself in the relationship. Counselling needed at the very least I think.
These are the definitive sentencing guidelines:
It would arguably fall within level 1 seriousness: looking at Annex A, 5(2)(c) (attempted) murder for gain, because of the life insurance, I'd imagine with serious to long term physical and emotional harm. Taking all that together, the sentence range would be 27-35 years. If not, it would be level 2: 17-25 years. I think those ranges refer to determinate sentences rather than tariffs for life sentences. If it is a life sentence the tariff (minimum sentence) will be half the appropriate determinate sentence.
What is strange is that because she hasn't accepted he attempted to kill her then she does not seem to be emotionally affected. Perhaps it is a defence mechanism that she is not accepting it so she can continue taking care of her children. Perhaps she would rather have him in jail and still have him as her husband - noone else has him then. Just trying to make sense of her attitude.
The phyiscal harm done is beyond dispute but if - for instance - the victim statement claims there is little / no emotional harm , then would that affect the sentence ?
I suppose it will all come down to how much weight the victim statement will carry - versus the dangerousness report that the judge has ordered.
I actually mistyped that, it was physical or emotional harm, and I'm presuming she would have long term physical effects from injuries of that nature.
Sentencing tomorrow! No shouting out from the gallery please.
Really hope justice will be done
Kier PritchardVerified account @wiltspoliceCC Jun 12
Today I met with the investigation team who brought together the complex attempt murder case for Emile Cilliers. Great opportunity to thank them all for their brilliant dedication and tenacity in securing the conviction. Sentencing on Friday at Winchester Crown.
The Crown Court
Daily List for Friday 15 June 2018 at THE LAW COURTS,WINCHESTER
- sitting at 10:30 am
THE HONOURABLE MR JUSTICE SWEENEY
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Order made under S45 Youth Justice & Criminal Evidence Act 1999
I think we can gather from the Order that there will be reporting restrictions in place concerning the endangerment of the children.
Unfortunately I'll be out at judgment time so won't be able to join the other tricoteuses by the guillotine, but I'll be rushing to see the sentence when I get back. I have faith in Mr Justice Sweeney.
Love it Moll - have got me knittin ready !
Rob Murphy @RobMurphyitv 1m1 minute ago
Emile Cilliers is led into the dock. He's wearing a three-piece grey suit. Smart, as ever.
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