UK - Healthcare worker arrested on suspicion of murder/attempted murder of a number of babies, 2018

Discussion in 'Crimes-Spotlight on Children' started by sleuth777, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. AllyBeeUK

    AllyBeeUK Former Member

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    Police did not "leak" any names to the press. Neighbours told local press as her home was being searched. Police have to be able to investigate, they have to be able to arrest and question as they see fit. If the press choose to release this information and members of the public choose to form an opinion based on that, then that is on them not the police who are doing their job. The publication of the nurse's name has resulted in further information coming to light and the investigation being widened. 17 babies have suffered unexplained fatal collapses, the priority is to find out what happened to them and provide grieving families with answers.

    This case is very very close to me, i gave birth in that hospital...there is a lot I could say but I can't and won't at this time. For now, my sympathy is with the babies who should have gone home but didn't.
     


  2. Angleterre

    Angleterre Verified Law Enforcement England

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    Hi
    Just because someone is released on bail doesn’t mean that the police have no evidence
    Irrespective of this case, in any case where someone is bailed, it’s to allow the Police more time to investigate anything she may have put forward in her interviews because as you say , innocent until proven guilty so the onus is on the Police and prosecution not the detainee and it’s only fair that the suspects account is fact checked too and there may be forensic evidence to be submitted so rather than keep her in detention and use up the custody clock, they utilise the bail system.
     
  3. BGoodwin94

    BGoodwin94 Active Member

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    I cannot believe it has been over a year since Lucy Letby was re-arrested and assuming bailed as there isn't any indication. What is so strange is the fact that due to the severity of the crimes, there isn't any information in the press or elsewhere after June 2019. It's my understanding that under the Policing and Crime Act 2017, a person who is placed on bail can only be placed for 28 days and then a decision has to be made after that. I recently contacted Cheshire Constabulary in regards of a FOI (freedom of information) regarding Lucy.

    What I do find rather peculiar is the fact that the Chief Executive of the hospital resigned. I shall update whether or not the police release any information.
     
  4. mrazda71

    mrazda71 Human bean

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    I was only thinking about Lucy recently because my nearest maternity unit was in the local news for its failings and baby deaths.

    This has been going on for so long!
     
  5. BGoodwin94

    BGoodwin94 Active Member

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    Hi guys, back in June\July I contacted the Cheshire constabulary to request a freedom of information. The outcome, which I thought would happen isn't positive. Please see below; (the response I had)

    In accordance with section 1(1) (b) of the Act, our response is as follows:


    Cheshire Constabulary neither confirms nor denies that it holds information relevant to this request by virtue of the following exemption:


    • Section 40(5)(a) – Personal Information

    We are not obliged to confirm or deny whether we hold the information you have requested as if held, this would be personal data. Section 40(5) of the Act provides that there is no duty to confirm or deny whether we hold the information.

    The fact section 40(5) of the Act has been cited, should not be taken as an indication that the information you requested is or is not held. The terms of this exemption in the Freedom of Information Act mean that we do not have to consider whether or not it would be in the public interest for us to reveal whether or not the information is held.


    If you are not satisfied with the decision applied in this case I enclose for your attention a copy of the Constabulary's appeal procedures.

    Regards
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    Lucy Letby was only arrested on suspicion, I've even gone through court proceedings and haven't found anything. So, Letby has must been released and the police are looking at other suspects.
     
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  6. Angleterre

    Angleterre Verified Law Enforcement England

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    Regards Bail
    It’s often the case that the bail is extended for a further 28 days each time it comes up for review , however, that was back in 2010 when I was still serving. My enquires to date with serving officers is that they often no longer bail anybody and just release without charge and then continue with their investigation and Re arrest if and when new evidence comes to light as per PACE . Apparently , due to funding and volume , there’s a huge backlog in terms of DNA and fingerprint analysis and investigations of computer systems and their hard drives and mobile phone evidence recovery etc and so it’s become necessary to release without charge rather than to abuse the 28
    day bail system and to arrest the suspect only if new evidence comes to light as a result of those investigations
     
  7. Angleterre

    Angleterre Verified Law Enforcement England

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    I think what needs to be kept in perspective is that effectively the police are investigating 17 allegations of murder / attempted murder etc and one of these investigations can be many months long into year (s) so multiply that by 17 and then you get an idea of the work involved and the timeframe And it has to be done meticulously to afford the victims and their families the best possible service and attempt to obtain justice and also so that the accused ( Letby) is given the best possible service to ensure that she is not being investigated unnecessarily and she is innocent until the Prosecution and police find any evidence to the contrary and prove her guilty ( and not wrongly so, therefore it needs to be done meticulously )!
     
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  8. AllyBeeUK

    AllyBeeUK Former Member

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    I can understand why they can't release that information but thank you for trying.

    I'm from this area, I had my son in the same hospital. I know a couple of people connected but I wouldn't ask them anything, it's heartbreaking though - the families need closure.
     
  9. CoverMeCagney

    CoverMeCagney Well-Known Member

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    whatawaster Well-Known Member

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    I just seen this again and I'm not sure how I forgot about this horror story.

    Those poor families. They're obviously working very hard behind the scenes. I hope justice is served soon!!
     
  11. AllyBeeUK

    AllyBeeUK Former Member

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    There must be considerable grounds for her to be arrested 3 times, unsure what the problem is with charging but I'm sure we will find out.
     
  12. pickle26

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  13. AllyBeeUK

    AllyBeeUK Former Member

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    I can vouch for the fact this hospital is diabolical having given birth there myself, however to arrest her 3 times and for the number of victims to increase each time she is arrested there must be evidence that this is more than just mismanagement ofna neonatal unit. We will have to see what information comes out if she is ever charged.
     
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  14. Angleterre

    Angleterre Verified Law Enforcement England

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    The Investigation team must have sufficient evidence for a more than 90% chance of securing/having a realistic chance of a successful prosecution as per CPS charging guidelines. These cases are inextricably linked one would assume and therefore, if I were the SIO , I would be investigating all as one incident and therefore the workload involved in securing sufficient evidence to provide a realistic chance of successful prosecution and certainly sufficient evidence to charge the suspect, is immense . Effectively, you are looking at the investigation of 17 major crimes and one in itself can take up to 2 years to get the evidence together to try to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that a person is guilty in a court of law so multiply that by 17 and you get an idea as to the enormity of the task faced .
     
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  15. AllyBeeUK

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    Yes, it will be an enormous task. I gave birth to my child in this hospital (won't bore you with my own experience but it is not good) and I know a few people connected to this case, they've not told me anything and nor would I ask.

    If the evidence is sufficient to charge, could she not be charged with x number of offences and more added later?

    I don't know if I'm surprised at the public reaction or not. There seems to be immense sympathy for her, the outrage is at her being named rather than deceased babies. Of course she is presumed innocent until proven otherwise, however I do wonder how different the reaction might be if she wasn't as pleasant looking. Maybe it wouldn't be, I don't know.
     
  16. JosieJo

    JosieJo Well-Known Member

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    Had forgotten about these tragic events will be following
     
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  17. LadyL

    LadyL Well-Known Member

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    at some point it seems ridiculous that they re-arrest her every year
    but I suppose they must be uncovering new evidence each time?
    (idk how police force works there with the prosecution)
     
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  18. AllyBeeUK

    AllyBeeUK Former Member

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    Cheshire Police have charged Lucy Letby with 8 counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder.
     
  19. AllyBeeUK

    AllyBeeUK Former Member

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  20. CoverMeCagney

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    Oh no, I wasn't really expecting that. They must have done their homework to have actually charged her though.
     
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