Discussion in 'Crimes-Spotlight on Children' started by sleuth777, Jul 3, 2018.
I know. That broke me.
"The judge has confirmed that the case is being sent to Chester Crown Court and Letby will appear tomorrow at 2.15pm.
She has been remanded in custody and is expected to appear at tomorrow’s crown court hearing tomorrow."
Ms Letby, of Arran Avenue, Hereford, is accused of murdering five baby boys who were named as; Cemlyn Bennett, Joseph Johnson, Barney Gee, Joseph Gelder and Eli Gelder and three girls named as Elsie McNall, Daisy Parkin and Maddie Freed.
She is also accused of the attempted murder of Maddie Freed and another nine babies whose identities may not be reported.
So according to the charges she attempted to murder one of the babies and then went on to succeed in murdering them
Chester hospital baby deaths: Nurse Lucy Letby in court
I work in nhs nursing ...it would be very unlikely that the same nurse works with the same babies every shift.
They may try to do this for continuity of care but with such varying levels of staff shortages and depending on the number of senior staff and levels of sick babies its impossible really to do
I think if negligence it would be picked up quicker and easier dealt with ...the numbers and length of time the investigation took id say it leans towards sudden collapse of an unknown cause at the time
Have there been any details of the specific ages of the babies affected? It excuses nothing, but I wonder if there was an agenda here about not saving extremely premature babies.
Outcomes for extremely premature babies are often very poor - lifelong physical and intellectual disability, often some quite pronounced suffering - and there is some debate in the medical community about when it is and isn’t fair and appropriate to the child to try and preserve life. Of course, normally that means reducing suffering and perhaps deciding not to offer supportive care at birth, as a care team - whatever agenda she had here was clearly wildly off the rails, and inexcusable. I suppose I’m just trying to find some sense in it all somewhere.
This was the first case that I had read when I joined back in 2018, even having multiple emails back and for with Cheshire Constabulary for information. Of course, they didn't give any out. I am shocked to see that they have charged her after all this time, however I don't agree with people who have 'alleged' to have committed a crime be named until proven guilty.
It's a really sad case and I hope the truth will out for everyone.
All children were under 1.
They were all in neonatal unit I believe, so I would imagine, very young babies
The other possibility is that there isn't a smoking gun but it's got to a point where the case just isn't going to get any stronger so they've decided to go for it.
I'm just wondering....if there were no postmortems done on the poor babies, then it would be difficult to prove anything.
However, LL has been charged with 'attempting' to murder other babies, I wonder if this is where the evidence is coming from...from the little ones that survived (blood tests etc).
Quite possibly. I've heard rumours about what it might have been, but I don't think I can repeat them here. Will be interesting to see if she enters a plea tomorrow and if the case goes to trial, what evidence will come out. Until then, we can't possibly know.
If the NHS holds similar standards as US hospitals, these babies never went home from the hospital after birth. In the US, once a newborn is discharged home they are considered (relatively speaking of course) 'dirty' and ineligible to return to the NICU. Even if they were only home a day or less, we would re-admit them to the Pediatric ICU or General Peds if they had left the hospital - never NICU.
However, babies can REMAIN in NICU a year or more. I used to have a home care client who spent 15 months in NICU. He went home on a ventilator. He's eight years old now and plays baseball (rather well!) and has never been readmitted to the hospital except for a sleep study.
So there is a third triplet, now aged 4 or 5, who is without his/her brothers. That child probably started school in September... just imagine how the parents felt on the first day, knowing there should have been three children to wave goodbye to in the playground.
The eight babies allegedly murdered by the nurse, who were all aged under one, were named in court today as; Cemlyn Bennett, Joseph Johnson, Elsie McNall, Barney Gee, Daisy Parkin, Maddie Freed, and two of triplets, Joseph Gelder and Eli Gelder, who died one day apart.
Chester nurse charged with murder: Eight babies named for first time | Daily Mail Online
What evidence do people think the police could have been looking for when they were checking drain pipes and digging in the garden during the house search?
On a given shift, is NICU care 1:1?
Rarely. Usually 2 babies to one nurse for sick ones, and up to 4 babies per nurse for feeder/ growers (stable babies).
I’ve read reports that the cause of death was never established , and that many of the babies developed strange marks on their bodies afterwards - it does make you wonder what evidence the police have and maybe a cause of death was established ie some form of poison ? Also , why would they be digging up her garden for human remains away from the hospital- surely she wouldn’t have smuggled our bodies ? The mind boggles .
I don't understand the dates for Joseph, Barney, and Daisy. Why don't they know when they died? Or were they in comas?
image copyrightJulia Quenzler
image captionMs Letby spoke only to confirm her name, address and date of birth during the short hearing
Chester hospital baby deaths: Nurse Lucy Letby in court
''Ms Letby spoke only to confirm her name, address and date of birth during the 10-minute hearing.
Pascale Jones, prosecuting, told the court Ms Letby should be remanded into custody for her own safety.
She said: "The crown will also stress there is substantial grounds to believe for her own protection this defendant should be remanded into custody."
I've been sort of following this for quite a while now, but had given up expecting anything to ever happen. I do hope Lucy didn't do this awful thing, but it now seems really obvious that someone did. She just looks so nice. And as a mother of middle-aged children, I feel so sorry for her parents too, not just the babies' mums.
I wonder if they were searching her house for medication vials and syringes, or baby clothing/items she may have kept? Hopefully no one else was involved too, and they weren't looking for say a second mobile phone.
We still don't know if she is guilty or not though until it goes to Court.