GUILTY UK - Laurent Bonomo & Gabriel Ferez, both 23, murdered, Lewisham, 29 June 2008

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  1. snarkymalarkey

    snarkymalarkey New Member

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  3. gaia227

    gaia227 I have never taken any exercise except sleeping an

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    I just read about this. I wonder if they were a couple and it was a jealous lover/ex-boyfriend who murdered them. It has all the signs of a 'passion' killing.
     
  4. Rudolf

    Rudolf Sociopaths are 4% of the general population; That'

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    Hi,
    This is my first post to websleuths, so I hope its a good contribution. I remember somewhere in this site was a post about bio-chemists being killed, or "disappeared". I think that these men were also bio-chemists. Does anyone think that this is a coincidence, or part of a pattern?
     
  5. Jeana (DP)

    Jeana (DP) Former Member

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    Hey Rudolf and welcome to Websleuths!! It was a good first post!!

    Do you remember if the other bio-chemists were murdered in the same fashion? It seems to me that someone being stabbed this number of times, especially after death, is quite personal. They say that this type of overkill signifies a great deal of rage.
     
  6. Rudolf

    Rudolf Sociopaths are 4% of the general population; That'

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    Hi Jeana,
    The missing biochemists mention came up in the forum for "missing male college students". I don't remember the specifics, but I don't think violence was involved and now(of course) I can't find the reference!
    I agree that these deaths were overkill, and like you say, indicative of enormous rage. Is there any report of similar deaths or attacks in England or the continent? If the deaths weren't personal, that is, if the killer didn't know the victims, it seems likely
    that there might have been other incidents. The level of energy needed to do this sort of thing must be astounding.
     
  7. Jeana (DP)

    Jeana (DP) Former Member

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    Thanks for the reply If the perp didn't know these two victims personally, do you think that there is some sort of rage against the profession itself.
     
  8. Rudolf

    Rudolf Sociopaths are 4% of the general population; That'

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    I think you hit the nail on the head with *IF* the perp didn't know them personally. It does seem very personal, doesn't it, and I didn't mean to suggest that it wasn't. I was just startled by recently reading about the missing biochemist thread and then reading that these guys were in the same field.
    At second glance, they seem to be very disparate incidents. Anyway, there is sure rage about something. Gaia227 thinks a passion killing. My money is on some kind of professional rivalry. Sex and/or Power, a couple of classic motives.
     
  9. SteveHuff

    SteveHuff The Websleuther formerly known as misterallgood

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    Rudolf, I believe this page may interest you:

    http://www.apfn.org/APFN/scientists.htm

    I think this double-murder was totally unrelated, though. It has the earmarks of a meth- or crackhead type murder, with the frenzied overkill, torture, etc.

    With most crimes, even ones this horrific and brutal, you think horses when hearing hoofbeats, not Zebras. Some worldwide effort to wipe out biochemists, even when they're still just students, would be a herd of zebras. A maniac, a psychopath out of his mind on drugs -- definitely horses.

    Steve
     
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    My first thoughts were: a homosexual rage murder, or drugs.

    The police are apparently now putting it about that this was 'related to an earlier burglary'. The main question for me is how so many stab wounds were inflicted on two people, who were both, I hear, bound and gagged before being set on fire.

    Surely there must have been three people at least involved to have committed all of that on two people?

    My provisional view now? - drugs.

    New Cross is an area of south London awash with cocaine and cannabis

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  11. Rudolf

    Rudolf Sociopaths are 4% of the general population; That'

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    Thank you SO much for the link.
    You are right, of course. It's a herd of horses thats galloping around, not zebras. It's going to be very interesting to see how this resolves.
     
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    Rudolf Sociopaths are 4% of the general population; That'

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    I posted this link about the case earlier, from the BBC news website, together with a comment, but my post seems to have been removed for some reason:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7491122.stm

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    They were not gay an article said one of the guy's girlfriend posted on his facebook page.
     
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    In the end this case will be just another hideous robbery gone crazy.....poor young guys were just innocently playing Playstation and then all of a sudden a crazy, creep just kills them . I wonder how this low life got into the apartment?
     
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    Talk about Overkill though:eek:......the guy must be a total psychopath:mad:
     
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    I was thinking the same...just totally crazy..
    Scary that he was out on the streets and burgling houses...
     
  20. gaia227

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    Wow, I am surprised. Initially I was sure this was a personal vendetta. Overkill for sure. I wonder if the perps were not high on something like meth, crack or coke.
     
  21. Tony Bennett

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    Latest report on BBC:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7491831.stm

    FACTS:

    2 men killed

    both high-flying biochemistry students

    240 stab wounds

    both bound and gagged

    both set alight.

    SPECULATION:

    just one person as the killer? - unlikely

    just a lone 'crackhead'? - unlikely

    just for little more than two games consoles? - unlikely

    two or more people involved as the killers? - more likely

    drug dealing involved? - no suggestion of it so far, but even university students can dabble in drug-dealing for money

    jealous/rage/revenge attack? - must have been something very serious

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