UK UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #2

Discussion in 'Missing Persons Discussion' started by Steleheart, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. LVatty10

    LVatty10 Verified Attorney

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    Can someone point me to the reddit thread? I do not believe that will violate TOS as long as we do not discuss the substance discussed in the thread. Thank you!
     
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  2. Mayfly

    Mayfly Active Member

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    I don't think she has run off either (although I would be happy to be wrong), but my opinion is not important - it is what Thames Valley Police think that matters. The only way for TVP to proceed that I can see, if they are of the view that Leah has come to harm, is to work out where she wasn't and narrow it down from there.

    Assuming the Buzzacott Lane 8.15am sighting was Leah, we have a point at which she was not missing. From there she must have gone somewhere. Most businesses and public buildings have CCTV, so if she should have appeared but didn't then she either took another route or she vanished before she reached there. Along with the phone being switched off at around 8.25 to 8.30am, there is a very precise time frame of no more than 15 minutes. There must be a way to collate that information and compare it with ANPR data, for example.

    I am sure the police are working as hard as they can, but they don't seem to have a POI, there haven't been any arrests or appeals for specific information and there is no sense of urgency. If Leah has been abducted there needs to be a much higher profile given to this case.
     
  3. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Imo, if she got into a car with someone she knew...then she is likely not alive...as that person would also be missing or else “hiding” her, and it seems police would have been in touch with most people she knew well by now, talked to friends, found out about her life. Etc...so most likely such a person would have surfaced during the course of the investigation. Most people do not have the facilities to “hide” a living person for months on end, especially when it is so expensive to live alone. Not sure this is making sense, but I know what I mean...people she would be likely to grab a ride with are probably not in a position to have that degree of privacy, imo.

    Of course there could be the chance of an meeting an older adult she recognized who happens to be the one demented weirdo who would do such a thing...but those odds seem very high. Anyway all jmo. I hope she left by choice and is fine, but it is increasingly unlikely.
     
  4. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Jmo also...not sure LE can conclude she has been abducted...though her not using her cards, etc at least points to suspicions all is not well with her.
     
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  5. HongKongPhooey

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    Hi, what makes you think she would have left earlier for a 9am start?

    With regards to colleagues driving to work, in MK most people drive everywhere but there are limited places where you can stop and give someone a lift as most main roads are no stopping zones.

    This leaves us, going with the theory a person known to her gave her a lift, that it was someone who knew her well enough to know which route she was likely take. Or, which choice of routes. Then they would need to know of a suitable quiet spot where they would not be noticed stopping and making the offer. Unless the lift was planned with good intention but something went wrong in the car, and it was pure chance they were not spotted.

    Due to the layout of MK, unless someone lived on that same estate it would not be coincidence that they drove past Leah. Imagine a noughts and crosses board and you are driving from left to right. The estates are the noughts or crosses. You would not deviate from your straight line. If traffic is bad, people do cut thro estates but you would not cut thro Emerson or Furzton if you are going to Knowlhill. Staying with the board metaphore, they are bottom left square and Knowlhill is top right. If they lived on the estate, why not give her a lift every day? I don't buy that it's for fitness. She's 19 and into a martial art. The fact most likely is she hasn't passed her driving test or can't afford a car. It's not a lovely soul rising walk, it would be through housing estates and unperpasses as I doubt she often took the longer lake route. And the lake isn't anything spectacular anyway.

    The alternative to this for me is someone she knows phoning her and offering a lift and a pick up point. That could open pre meditated possibilities which explain the lack of sightings, and also more optimistic outcomes if it was a joint plan for example.

    All just MOO.
     
  6. Jenesaisquoi

    Jenesaisquoi Well-Known Member

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    Hongkong Phooey, I don’t think she would have left earlier for a 9am start. I meant that if she still had a 20 minute walk left, and took a lift instead, then she would have arrived earlier than expected. If that had happened, what would she have done. She presumably didn’t enter the building or it would have been logged, or someone would have seen her.
     
  7. HongKongPhooey

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    Ah ok, got you.

    Yes it seems v unlikely she got to Knowlhill. It would be v busy there at that time of day, lots of businesses on a purpose built industrial estate (sorry if you know this, not sure if you're local)
     
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  8. Atoz

    Atoz The owls are not what they seem.

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    Am I correct in thinking that without explicit evidence the police would have no right to access any of her social media or telephone accounts?
     
  9. Miss_French

    Miss_French Well-Known Member

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    No, the police can access data if they have 'reasonable grounds' to believe it contains evidence in relation to a crime, and this applies to victims, suspects and witnesses.
     
  10. Jenesaisquoi

    Jenesaisquoi Well-Known Member

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    I am fairly sure in the podcast that Leah’s mum said Leah’s friends had shown the police their mobiles. (This wasn’t the exact wording she used, for the analytical amongst us).
     
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  11. Coconutty

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    Such a shame we haven’t got an insider on here, would be really helpful to know more about her life.
     
  12. Enquirer-2019

    Enquirer-2019 Enquirer

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    I still think a runaway at this time, with help. Not my views in the beginning. I hope this is the case, and I think publicity is intentionally quietening down (this could be prompted by LE) to take the public pressure down a notch for her to get in touch. AMOO
     
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  13. BrianJohnson

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    Wildly optimistic imho

    With no money, no change of clothes, no phone, no income to support herself it would have to mean someone is bankrolling her financially (giving her money/giving her shelter/giving her food/buying her clothing), majority of people her age can barely cover their own cost of living so it would have to mean she is with a guy probably her dads age or around that sort of age, i think it is unlikely a middle aged guy could put her up without her being noticed by someone or have had a relationship with her prior to her disappearance without someone knowing

    If she was homeless runaway and sleeping rough someone will have spotted her by now and claimed the £5k reward

    This will not end well sadly, imho she is dead (99% sure of that) and probably dumped in a shallow grave in a countrified area max 15-20 miles out of MK
     
  14. HongKongPhooey

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    Do you have a hypothetical profile in mind of the perp in your theory Brian?
     
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    BrianJohnson Well-Known Member

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    ......
     
  16. kate2931

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    I think I know what Brian is alluding to & that line of thought has been a strong contender for me. That and being taken into a house along her route.
     
  17. Jenesaisquoi

    Jenesaisquoi Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't search dogs have picked up her scent though if she went into a house along the route?
     
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  18. kate2931

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    Yes you’re right, so probably an unlikely scenario then. Most likely a vehicle involved ?
     
  19. Skigh

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    Is that Morse code?
     
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  20. Jenesaisquoi

    Jenesaisquoi Well-Known Member

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    Re the missing: runaway theory. Is there any chance she got involved with a drug dealer (without fully knowing that is how he got his money) who has had to lie low for a bit and who lied to her about why they need to disappear?
     

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