Found Deceased UK - Leah Croucher, 19, Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, 14 Feb 2019 #5

[dotr]

"It ain't over till the fat lady sings"
With that in mind, noting this very recent news about a young woman in Canada, who left the house one day, never to return, and whose mysterious disappearance has finally been solved.
Hopefully, if Leah is living a different life somewhere else, it will not take 4 decades to find her.

Ws thread..

Resolved - Canada- Dale Nancy Wyman, 22, Voyageur bus station, Ottawa, Ont.16 July 1980 *Fresh initiative*

Ottawa Police issued an "age progressed" sketch of Dale Nancy Wyman, last seen in Ottawa in 1980. (Photo courtesy: Ottawa Police Service) Family pleads for information on Ottawa woman missing for 40 years May 6, 2021 Josh Pringle ''Dale Nancy Wyman was last seen in Ottawa in July 1980. On...

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Investigator says missing Ottawa-area woman found in Ohio after 42 years

OTTAWA - On July 16, 1980, Dale Nancy Wyman left her Ottawa-area home with a suitcase full of her belongings, took a taxi to a Greyhound bus station and vanished. She didn’t say where she was going and her family had no idea where to look.

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''OTTAWA - On July 16, 1980, Dale Nancy Wyman left her Ottawa-area home with a suitcase full of her belongings, took a taxi to a Greyhound bus station and vanished. She didn’t say where she was going and her family had no idea where to look.

More than four decades later, a woman from Ohio contacted Wyman’s siblings, who had never stopped looking for her. She had seen a video of Wyman’s younger sister, Brenda Larche, asking for information to help the family find peace and closure, and realized the woman Larche was looking for was her mother.

Wyman built a life in Ohio, had a family, and had died only a couple of months earlier.''

 

[CGMK]

By her own account the witness was at least two car lengths away from the turning, and before she reached the turning
"the cars began to move and another driver, several cars in front, let the mystery motorist pull out in front of him."
So she cannot have got any closer to the car.

The car was coming from a road on the right, she saw the car coming from there..... from the lake area... .. and the car needed to get onto the main road... when it was coming onto the main road and two cars away thats when she was hoping to see more ..yes. She'd already seen it coming from the right a way away. Cos I live here I can vision it.. moving along and seeing a car coming from that side.. then meeting at the part where that car needed to come out.

 

[CGMK]

Would Luton airport keep records of all the people that boarded its planes that day, or at least their supposed names?

 

[lilmystery]

The car was coming from a road on the right, she saw the car coming from there..... from the lake area... .. and the car needed to get onto the main road... when it was coming onto the main road and two cars away thats when she was hoping to see more ..yes. She'd already seen it coming from the right a way away. Cos I live here I can vision it.. moving along and seeing a car coming from that side.. then meeting at the part where that car needed to come out.

Personally, as a starter for ten, I dont think the timeline fits.

 

[Cherwell]

The car was coming from a road on the right, she saw the car coming from there..... from the lake area... .. and the car needed to get onto the main road... when it was coming onto the main road and two cars away thats when she was hoping to see more ..yes. She'd already seen it coming from the right a way away. Cos I live here I can vision it.. moving along and seeing a car coming from that side.. then meeting at the part where that car needed to come out.

Yes. I understand what she saw, but the point is she was too far away to get a close-up view of what was going in in the other car. She never got closer than two - probably more than two - car lengths away. She said the car was let on to the main road "several cars in front" which sounds like it was more than two.

 

[CGMK]

I am going to disagree that you wouldn't be able to see a driver doing that from where he was approaching and moving along to.. in that area. So we will agree to disagree.

 

[Cherwell]

I am going to disagree that you wouldn't be able to see a driver doing that from where he was approaching and moving along to.. in that area. So we will agree to disagree.

If you like, but it was the amount of detail she specified that cast doubt for me. She would need to have been much closer to see what she described.

 

[CGMK]

Here is something that bothers me quite a bit. My first thoughts on Leah's disappearance was that she slipped into the lake by accident since it was such a slippery frosty morning, but then they searched the Lake, right and made no find. I would never have considered that Leah could remain undiscovered in the Lake, until I got involved viewing the work of 'Adventures with purpose' over the last year or so. They are' dive/sonar team that constantly make finds that the official teams on the case did not, usually in cold cases. Just very recently they were requested to search for a freshly missing 16 year old Kiely Rodni in a man made lake, although the lake had been searched already by officially trained sonar dive teams, AWP found her when they did not. The Lake really weren't that big, and this teenager was with her car. I Don't know.. I just feel like maybe the skill set of sonar searches here in the UK could be over estimated also.

 

[dotr]

Here is something that bothers me quite a bit. My first thoughts on Leah's disappearance was that she slipped into the lake by accident since it was such a slippery frosty morning, but then they searched the Lake, right and made no find. I would never have considered that Leah could remain undiscovered in the Lake, until I got involved viewing the work of 'Adventures with purpose' over the last year or so. They are' dive/sonar team that constantly make finds that the official teams on the case did not, usually in cold cases. Just very recently they were requested to search for a freshly missing 16 year old Kiely Rodni in a man made lake, although the lake had been searched already by officially trained sonar dive teams, AWP found her when they did not. The Lake really weren't that big, and this teenager was with her car. I Don't know.. I just feel like maybe the skill set of sonar searches here in the UK could be over estimated also.

CA - CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee since 8 Aug 2022 #5

People always have such lofty ideas of what would be possible for a human to survive in accidents like this. Like why not just roll down the windows, swim out etc. But I have to imagine this all happened very fast, likely had some windows open or cracked to "sober up" if she was tired or...

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[HollyHunter9]

Here is something that bothers me quite a bit. My first thoughts on Leah's disappearance was that she slipped into the lake by accident since it was such a slippery frosty morning, but then they searched the Lake, right and made no find. I would never have considered that Leah could remain undiscovered in the Lake, until I got involved viewing the work of 'Adventures with purpose' over the last year or so. They are' dive/sonar team that constantly make finds that the official teams on the case did not, usually in cold cases. Just very recently they were requested to search for a freshly missing 16 year old Kiely Rodni in a man made lake, although the lake had been searched already by officially trained sonar dive teams, AWP found her when they did not. The Lake really weren't that big, and this teenager was with her car. I Don't know.. I just feel like maybe the skill set of sonar searches here in the UK could be over estimated also.

I agree with this and had thought the exact same when kiely was sadly found. According to leahs official missing facebook page Furzton lake was never actually searched using any type of specialist equipment, only tear drop lakes. I really think this might be an angle worth revisiting.

Link to leahs missing fb page

Leah Croucher Disappearance - Community Investigation | Facebook

This is a group concerning the disappearance of Leah Croucher on 15th February 2019. The aim of the page is to share information and thoughts that may lead to some insight into what has happened to...

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[Thelastleg]

Here is something that bothers me quite a bit. My first thoughts on Leah's disappearance was that she slipped into the lake by accident since it was such a slippery frosty morning, but then they searched the Lake, right and made no find. I would never have considered that Leah could remain undiscovered in the Lake, until I got I involved viewing the work of 'Adventures with purpose' over the last year or so. They are' dive/sonar team that constantly make finds that the official teams on the case did not, usually in cold cases. Just very recently they were requested to search for a freshly missing 16 year old Kiely Rodni in a man made lake, although the lake had been searched already by officially trained sonar dive teams, AWP found her when they did not. The Lake really weren't that big, and this teenager was with her car. I Don't know.. I just feel like maybe the skill set of sonar searches here in the UK could be over estimated also.

I too have been following that case and have the utmost admiration for the volunteers of AWP. I think the circumstances are different. Leah was stone cold sober at 9am in daylight. If she happened to slip into the lake she would have had her wits about her to cry for help or save herself. She also practised taekwando? so would have been reasonably fit. Just say she did drown. Unless she was caught on something under water, eventually due to decomposition her body would most probably rise to the surface. I'm not sure how deep MK lake is. Prosser in Kiely Rodni case, was 75ft deep at its deepest point. Kiely had been partying, maybe had taken alcohol, maybe not but it was past midnight when she set off to drive home. The roads were reported to be narrow and tricky enough to negotiate if you were unfamiliar with them. I don't know either how previous searchers missed the car. It was close to the shore and only in 14ft of water albeit inside down. I'm still going with abduction for Leah. All moo

 

[HollyHunter9]

I too have been following that case and have the utmost admiration for the volunteers of AWP. I think the circumstances are different. Leah was stone cold sober at 9am in daylight. If she happened to slip into the lake she would have had her wits about her to cry for help or save herself. She also practised taekwando? so would have been reasonably fit. Just say she did drown. Unless she was caught on something under water, eventually due to decomposition her body would most probably rise to the surface. I'm not sure how deep MK lake is. Prosser in Kiely Rodni case, was 75ft deep at its deepest point. Kiely had been partying, maybe had taken alcohol, maybe not but it was past midnight when she set off to drive home. The roads were reported to be narrow and tricky enough to negotiate if you were unfamiliar with them. I don't know either how previous searchers missed the car. It was close to the shore and only in 14ft of water albeit inside down. I'm still going with abduction for Leah. All moo

Kiely apparently was found in only 14' of water. I don't necessarily think leah "fell" in but maybe she was in some kind of altercation and ended up in the lake? I hate even typing this and I apologise if it upsets any of her friends or family who may read it but it comes from a genuine interest of wanting them to find her or have some form of closure, but if she were snagged by something underwater she might not rise to the surface. There is also the possibility of leah deliberately putting herself in the lake.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/22/kiely-rodni-body-missing-car-california-truckee

'On Monday, law enforcement officials said avolunteer search and recovery group had found what was probably the teen’s body inside her Honda SUV, which was upside down under about 14ft of water.'

 

[CGMK]

I agree and support your words. No other CCTV or confirmed sightings beyond that area ever came to light. I had dismissed foul play involving the lake, or final place by choice, because acceptance that Leah wasn't in the lake due to its being searched. I just think AWP recoveries, just confirm that 'searched' by the proper agencies in so many cases doesn't equate to 'not there'. I spun in my head that the girl seen with wet hair that day wasn't Leah but an unknown assailant or assistant. I think too its an avenue that could do with a fresh search with some tech.

 

[lilmystery]

The TVP used the countries best search agency to search a few places but not the last place she was seen??? If her phone or other bits were in the lake there is no way the TVP's inferior tech would have found anything. I agree that 'search' does not mean 'actually searched'. During CrimeCon 2022 in London, this situation was fully explained by numerous examples of the police missing things during searches and speicalist later finding key evidence.

The lack of national press is staggering too, but most likely because of how poor the local press is. So fixated on the sex trafficking hysteria that it ignores the early failures from the police. There has been no mention of the inadequate search conducted by the police anywhere but on socials, which is quite obvious from photos and information provided by the TVP.
MOO

 

[lilmystery]

There is also the possibility of leah deliberately putting herself in the lake.

True. But this is fishing lake with hundreds of visitors that day. If she went in the water, she got out. For me, it's a high risk area for an opportunist and I lean towards a friendly face meeting with her. Measure the distance from home and the time her phone went off the grid, you reach a secluded part of the path near a carpark on the southern part of the lake.
I hope the logical debate continues as new evidence comes in.

 

[lilmystery]

Measure the distance from home and the time her phone went off the grid, you reach a secluded part of the path near a carpark on the southern part of the lake.

Meant to say Northern Part of the lake. Sorry bout that. MOO There is no time for Leah to have walked to the south side of the lake nor would she of taken the very long way to work that morning and not have been on CCTV. That area is littered with it on the houses.

 

[CGMK]

It's just as possible that she didn't get out either.

 

[Atoz]

Meant to say Northern Part of the lake. Sorry bout that. MOO There is no time for Leah to have walked to the south side of the lake nor would she of taken the very long way to work that morning and not have been on CCTV. That area is littered with it on the houses.

I think she got to the car park and either willingly or unwillingly entered a vehicle and was taken away from the area.

I don't discount the lake, but I find it more likely she left the scene, unseen, because she was in a vehicle.

 

[HollyHunter9]

I think she got to the car park and either willingly or unwillingly entered a vehicle and was taken away from the area.

I don't discount the lake, but I find it more likely she left the scene, unseen, because she was in a vehicle.

I agree with this too. But I do think perhaps her phone is in the lake but I suppose now after almost 3 years submerged it would be no good anyway. ALL MOO.

 

[CGMK]

The point about the North Furzton lake really is that to move on with a think tank even, you need to be 100% something was cleared, and now my opinion is that we can't be certain it was.