Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #2 *ARREST*

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TheTruthWillOut said:
Made this. Not sure if it helps or hinders. It is clearer to me full screening it on the ITV player.

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Thank you!!

I zoomed in to watch this and can see someone get in now.

The person is pretty slim, matches pictures we've seen of Libby. Definitely got in on their own, imo. Maybe tossed her coat or purse in the back
 
eucalyptuz said:
So, if CCTV is capturing PR, what went down? He drove past, saw Libby and either
a) saw her as a possible illegal taxi fare...perhaps smoking a cigarette as she deflects the other concerned motorist and then approaches her for a fare.
OR
b) saw a vulnerable girl to hit on

Either way, he had to plan his way to the back street behind the bench and park his car. The clip mentioned he had only been parked 2o minutes...this coincides horribly with Libby's arrival and departure from the bench.
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(b)
 
I'm now convinced it is him on the passenger side of the car, he opens the door, you can tell it's him initially by the shorts, then there's definitely two legs after his, it looks almost certain to me that he dumps a person in the seat when you slow the video down, dark clothing too. Libby was wearing all black clothing that night too.
 
Kolumbo said:
I think some of you are going off track a little with regards to his behaviour.

Here's my train of thought...

His own mother seems to suspect he may have been moonlighting as an unlicensed taxi diver - an offence.

The side street he was parked up in is one of the few spots in that part of Beverley Road you'd be able to pull into. He was smoking a *advertiser censored* and hoping for some passing custom from the pubgoers. Haworth Arms is literally just a few yards around the corner, and there are other pubs like Gardener's Arms in the vicinity too. A lot of students in particular would be looking for a taxi to get home to their student digs on a night out.

It's pretty much a dead cert to me that he was touting for business. He'd probably been sat there innocently enough until he saw or heard Libby crying on the bench just a few yards round the corner. He smoked his *advertiser censored* and went to investigate. It is probably her we see getting into the passenger side. He assists by opening the door and guiding them in, but they're clearly not unconscious. They slip in easily enough, with a bit of a bump, and you can see them bounce slightly as they hit the seat.

The question is how he convinced her to follow him to the car. Maybe he played the whole "See, that other guy who pulled over could've been a monster, you really can't stay here. Let me take you somewhere safe."

I am betting on it not being premeditated in any way prior to him spotting her. It was just opportunism. He was angling for business in a convenient place. He stumbled into her and could see she was in a pretty sorry state. Maybe he just planned on helping. Maybe not. Perhaps even at the point in the footage we see her getting into the car, he still had no ill intent. The question really seems to be what happened between the point of him picking her up and her going missing. Did she have second thoughts? Did he try it on? Did she? Did he say something that creeped her out? Where did he take her? Why? Is that the point at which she realised something was wrong? Did they return to her address or head straight somewhere else?

Based on the CCTV footage here it's pretty clear to me the series of events that led up to her being picked up. It's what comes afterwards that remains a total mystery.
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IF he speaks good enough English. I still think he is innocent. I think its an unfortunate series of occurences. I think poor Libby ran off and fell in the river. He didn't want to be implicated in any way (whatever he was doing) and he failed to get help.
 
eucalyptuz said:
I just found this on youtube:
... really interesting. It's about illegal minicab drivers parking around high-client areas and touting for fares. Although it's based in London, we have heard on this case that it's a practice reported in Hull. Closing time at nearby pub...perfect time to tout for fares and smoke a cigarette while you wait...
The other car shown in the ITV clip may have been another minicab driver that had just collected a fare...
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Yeah I can confirm from minicabs in London back in the day

The driver or tout are close to the club/bar and hit you up when you come out.

The car is often parked close by

Incidentally we always had a rule never to travel alone in a minicab

So many bad stories
 
Curiousobserver said:
I agree- whoever entered the other seat did so very deftly, not like a drunk person at all.
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It's an hour after Libby was refused entry.

Reasonable to think she sobered up a bit and now she's trying to get home.

Though the assumption has been that she didn't go home because she likely didn't have keys, right? I'd expect her to use a taxi ride to go back to the welly to get keys or try to get in now that she sobered up, not to go to a home she can't enter.
 
Looks like the other person is being manipulated to me. A good delay of 3 or 4 seconds where bag or jacket is put in the car. In full video passenger seems to slump towards the driver side seat after getting in. Driver is behind passenger when all this is going on as you can see their head at the passenger side door.
 
Sera said:
I was going to say this too but I didn't want anyone to say I was making it up. The first legs I see I think are the man, and then a different pair of legs appears and as they sit down I can clearly tell they're wearing a skirt. :(
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Jeans and vans ok- skirt and vans (as someone said she was wearing) really weird.
 
Kolumbo said:
I think some of you are going off track a little with regards to his behaviour.

Here's my train of thought...

His own mother seems to suspect he may have been moonlighting as an unlicensed taxi diver - an offence.

The side street he was parked up in is one of the few spots in that part of Beverley Road you'd be able to pull into. He was smoking a *advertiser censored* and hoping for some passing custom from the pubgoers. Haworth Arms is literally just a few yards around the corner, and there are other pubs like Gardener's Arms in the vicinity too. A lot of students in particular would be looking for a taxi to get home to their student digs on a night out.

It's pretty much a dead cert to me that he was touting for business. He'd probably been sat there innocently enough until he saw or heard Libby crying on the bench just a few yards round the corner. He smoked his *advertiser censored* and went to investigate. It is probably her we see getting into the passenger side. He assists by opening the door and guiding them in, but they're clearly not unconscious. They slip in easily enough, with a bit of a bump, and you can see them bounce slightly as they hit the seat.

The question is how he convinced her to follow him to the car. Maybe he played the whole "See, that other guy who pulled over could've been a monster, you really can't stay here. Let me take you somewhere safe."

I am betting on it not being premeditated in any way prior to him spotting her. It was just opportunism. He was angling for business in a convenient place. He stumbled into her and could see she was in a pretty sorry state. Maybe he just planned on helping. Maybe not. Perhaps even at the point in the footage we see her getting into the car, he still had no ill intent. The question really seems to be what happened between the point of him picking her up and her going missing. Did she have second thoughts? Did he try it on? Did she? Did he say something that creeped her out? Where did he take her? Why? Is that the point at which she realised something was wrong? Did they return to her address or head straight somewhere else?

Based on the CCTV footage here it's pretty clear to me the series of events that led up to her being picked up. It's what comes afterwards that remains a total mystery.
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Agree with everything here and it's exactly why we never let our female mates travel alone in unlicensed cabs!
 
I can't make out much at all on my tablet unfortunately but these things strike me as odd and apologies because I am repeating what some have said already.

Why lock and unlock your car so many times? What do you need out of it? I agree with another poster, it's hardly discreet (but who's watching in that quiet road?)

I can understand someone smoking to calm nerves - it doesn't look frantic though. In fact none of it looks frantic or panicked.

Guilty or not, he needs to explain Libby's presence in his car because there will be trace. IMO if you stop at random to help a distressed young woman, would you not pull up on the kerb? Not park round the corner, have a smoke then go back.

I did wonder if FB accounts had been locked down because somehow they knew each other. Not likely IMO. But without her phone, there's very little chance of them meeting up anyway. I don't think they had a preplanned rendezvous either, I think the circumstances of her evening lead her to that bench.

Ref his language skills. Even if he socialises and works with fellow Polish people, after five years (which I read is how long he's had that job roughly) he would have good conversational English. Maybe not enough to explain a fence problem to a landlord.
 
audge86 said:
It's an hour after Libby was refused entry.

Reasonable to think she sobered up a bit and now she's trying to get home.

Though the assumption has been that she didn't go home because she likely didn't have keys, right? I'd expect her to use a taxi ride to go back to the welly to get keys or try to get in now that she sobered up, not to go to a home she can't enter.
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But she was only a block or so away from her home- why get in and pay a cab?
 
For anyone who agrees they see a person getting in the car - whether or not you think it's Libby - I know that the footage is unclear and grainy but when the person gets in the passenger seat, in the bit above the car that's obscured by spider web, but does it sort of look like someone is still stood there after the passenger gets in, possibly the guy helped them into the seat? Maybe when you see the man's legs first, then the second person's legs, it's because they were leant on the car for balance and then had to be helped into the seat? All purely speculation.JMO.
 
TheTruthWillOut said:
Made this. Not sure if it helps or hinders. It is clearer to me full screening it on the ITV player.

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Wow. That really does help. Before looking at your GIF, I was certain it was a woman willingly getting into the car, one leg first, then the other, but now I've looked at the GIF, I can see the driver first throws something (a handbag?) into the footwell of the passenger seat with one hand and then after a slight delay, the passenger appears to be thrown onto the passenger seat having been possibly leant against the car and supported by his other arm. The way she bounces as she lands on the seat is consistent with being more or less carried under both legs, then plonked onto the seat.
I also want to say, I don't think women generally just chuck their handbag into a car's footwell before getting into it, nor do they tend to get into the front passenger seat of a taxi (or fake taxi, if that was the case).
 
When watching the footage of whatever is happening in that passenger door, be aware that if you look at the time stamp it seems the footage has been sped up considerably?

If this is the case, could have a significant effect on how the movements appear.
 
Officer Dibble said:
IF he speaks good enough English. I still think he is innocent. I think its an unfortunate series of occurences. I think poor Libby ran off and fell in the river. He didn't want to be implicated in any way (whatever he was doing) and he failed to get help.
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But what about the "dark and eerie" screams going on for 15 minutes before he ran off?
 
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