Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #5 *ARREST*

[Hatfield]

Suppose you’re right it’s just sad she never actually made it home properly..club should have let her in you’re right she would have been safer in there than outside where she ended up

I agree. The famous case here where Morgan Harrington was raped and murdered by a serial killer because she was not let back in a Metallica concert because she was also tipsy and there was a no re-entry policy. My understanding is she was also crying hysterically and they still would not let her in.

Ironically she also did not have her own car keys because her "friends" had them still inside the concert. So she was stumbling around in the parking lot trying to figure out what to do and again, ironically (how freakin ironic) she was picked up by a cab driver who turned out to be a serial killer.

There has to be a better policy when these places run into that situation. Call a cab themselves and make sure they get in their door safely or something.

JLM Charged in Morgan Harrington murder

 

[cluciano63]

It does seem odd that a burgling flashing masturbating pervert would “go” for an actual woman...if he is the kidnapper. Maybe he could not resist, if she was intoxicated, whereas he would not have dared if she was just a woman passing by, alert and aware of her surroundings etc...I know these criminals can and do escalate but those crimes seem more removed from actually dealing with people. Strange mixture of criminal characteristics in a way.

Yet I can see it happening in the terrible perfect storm of this nightmare of a night.

Jmo etc

 

[cluciano63]

I agree. The famous case here where Morgan Harrington was raped and murdered by a serial killer because she was not let back in a Metallica concert because she was also tipsy and there was a no re-entry policy. My understanding is she was also crying hysterically and they still would not let her in.

Ironically she also did not have her own car keys because her "friends" had them still inside the concert. So she was stumbling around in the parking lot trying to figure out what to do and again, ironically (how freakin ironic) she was picked up by a cab driver who turned out to be a serial killer.

There has to be a better policy when these places run into that situation. Call a cab themselves and make sure they get in their door safely or something.

JLM Charged in Morgan Harrington murder

If that case did not make legal changes as far as what public venues must do for patrons they refuse entry or kick out...not sure any would. In the U.S. anyway. Jmo

 

[cherryautumn]

I really don't think that guy in the cobweb CCTV is PR. I know it keeps being dismissed here but the daily mail made a point of saying "As part of their ongoing investigation, police arrested a 24-year-old man yesterday, thought he is not thought to be the man in the CCTV footage. "

CCTV probe in Libby Squire's disappearance after man caught on camera getting into car | Daily Mail Online

I DO however believe Libby was in PR's car, like his sister said, and there was an altercation which resulted in the neighbour hearing screams but at this moment I'm leaning more towards him leaving her at her house and either her returning to the bench and getting into the car with the CCTV guy, being abducted by someone else or wandering off on her own somewhere(like the Oak playing fields and that's why they don't have a specific place to search in the park but all over, guessing).
I know people here don't like hearing people say they don't believe he's guilty..sorry :/ He makes the perfect suspect though with the creeping/stealing/voyeurism and being one of the last people to see her.

I think they released that CCTV footage for a reason and that's to try and get that man to come forward to identify themselves and rules themselves out just because of the close proximity to where Libby was last seen. There could be numerous reasons why he isn't coming forward, maybe he's picking up a prostitute, maybe he was committing crimes that night, maybe he has a criminal record which would make the police suspicious that he could be involved or maybe he is actually someone who has abducted/hurt her. I just don't think it's PR.

 

[cluciano63]

I really don't think that guy in the cobweb CCTV is PR. I know it keeps being dismissed here but the daily mail made a point of saying "As part of their ongoing investigation, police arrested a 24-year-old man yesterday, thought he is not thought to be the man in the CCTV footage. "

CCTV probe in Libby Squire's disappearance after man caught on camera getting into car | Daily Mail Online

I DO however believe Libby was in PR's car, like his sister said, and there was an altercation which resulted in the neighbour hearing screams but at this moment I'm leaning more towards him leaving her at her house and either her returning to the bench and getting into the car with the CCTV guy, being abducted by someone else or wandering off on her own somewhere(like the Oak playing fields and that's why they don't have a specific place to search in the park but all over, guessing).
I know people here don't like hearing people say they don't believe he's guilty..sorry :/ He makes the perfect suspect though with the creeping/stealing/voyeurism and being one of the last people to see her.

I think they released that CCTV footage for a reason and that's to try and get that man to come forward to identify themselves and rules themselves out just because of the close proximity to where Libby was last seen. There could be numerous reasons why he isn't coming forward, maybe he's picking up a prostitute, maybe he was committing crimes that night, maybe he has a criminal record which would make the police suspicious that he could be involved or maybe he is actually someone who has abducted/hurt her. I just don't think it's PR.

But they didn’t release it did they...police I mean?

 

[LittleMystery]

I agree. The famous case here where Morgan Harrington was raped and murdered by a serial killer because she was not let back in a Metallica concert because she was also tipsy and there was a no re-entry policy. My understanding is she was also crying hysterically and they still would not let her in.

Ironically she also did not have her own car keys because her "friends" had them still inside the concert. So she was stumbling around in the parking lot trying to figure out what to do and again, ironically (how freakin ironic) she was picked up by a cab driver who turned out to be a serial killer.

There has to be a better policy when these places run into that situation. Call a cab themselves and make sure they get in their door safely or something.

JLM Charged in Morgan Harrington murder

I followed the Hannah Graham case and didn’t even realise Jesse Matthew had previously been a taxi driver.

I remember early on in Hannah’s case a lot of people commented on how nice he was and gentle. Welp! That couldn’t have been further from the truth. Just shows that people will only show you what they want you to see.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

And who actually reported her as missing? I also wonder the reason for this misper case taking off and obtaining a far greater media reach so soon after she disappeared than is usual?

It has been mentioned by several on here about LS having MH issues. Where has that come from? I haven't seen any reference by police or family to such or references to her maybe being considered 'vulnerable'? It seems, from what I can gather, to come from one picture in which there appeared cuts or grades to her arms. But there could be some other reason for those such as accident or injury other than self-harm.

@Ched
Out of interest do we know what time her flat mates got home ?

Yesterday at 10:36 PM

 

[margarita25]

(Image: Danny Lawson/PA Wire)

Libby: Eleven days of searches but desperate wait for answers goes on

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Beverley Road - Hull Live

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The streets, parks and waterways at the heart of search for Libby
11 FEB 2019

 

[audge86]

I don't think the car we've been looking at on CCTV is the same as PRs car. I really think we've been looking at unrelated footage.

The wheels look quite different.

Sainsbury's and The Haworth both closed at 12. I suspect we saw someone waiting to give a ride to a friend/significant other or something. The time is right for someone getting off of work.

I'm not saying PR is innocent. Police didn't just pull his name out of a hat. Just think the footage isn't Libby.

It not being her actually makes more sense to me. She may have started walking back to her house and that's when someone grabbed her.

 

[otto]

It does seem odd that a burgling flashing masturbating pervert would “go” for an actual woman...if he is the kidnapper. Maybe he could not resist, if she was intoxicated, whereas he would not have dared if she was just a woman passing by, alert and aware of her surroundings etc...I know these criminals can and do escalate but those crimes seem more removed from actually dealing with people. Strange mixture of criminal characteristics in a way.

Yet I can see it happening in the terrible perfect storm of this nightmare of a night.

Jmo etc

Paul Bernardo was a peeper before he started following women from bus stops and attacking them. Then he graduated to full blown abduction, with his wife as an accomplice, torture and murder. Didn't Russell Williams follow the same pattern?

 

[wtiger]

I wonder whether the police perhaps found something on one of his electronic devices which pointed in a particular direction?

Perhaps some *advertiser censored* of a very specific nature or something else suggesting that he has sought to fulfill a fantasy in real life?

Or perhaps they retrieved the messages between PR and his aunt or sister?

Something has definitely locked them into aiming all of their firepower at one target

The last case that i followed where the investigation was bent to fit a theory thrown up by computer search information was the Casey Anthony "chloroform" searches.........

And we all know how that one ended!

I hope for their sake that the police are not running down the wrong path here.

 

[coldmoon]

Paul Bernardo was a peeper before he started following women from bus stops and attacking them. Then he graduated to full blown abduction, with his wife as an accomplice, torture and murder. Didn't Russell Williams follow the same pattern?

First post! Been following this case closely with all of you.

I keep thinking of the Golden State Killer who was the Visalia Ransacker before he progressed to killing. He constantly prowled neighbourhoods at night, peeping and burglarizing (for odd items), well before he started raping and then eventually killing. These less intrusive activities perhaps lose their thrill and moving toward more direct action becomes a challenge and a "need" it seems. JMO

ETA - I'm Canadian and it's so gross that both PB and RW are from my country :/

 

[wtiger]

It does seem odd that a burgling flashing masturbating pervert would “go” for an actual woman...if he is the kidnapper. Maybe he could not resist, if she was intoxicated, whereas he would not have dared if she was just a woman passing by, alert and aware of her surroundings etc...I know these criminals can and do escalate but those crimes seem more removed from actually dealing with people. Strange mixture of criminal characteristics in a way.

Very much agree with you here.

I am very interested in the psychology of offenders and have thought from the beginning here that he does not quite fit comfortably into a particular mould.....

..but in the back of my mind is the feeling that we are not working with the full facts here.

For example we know nothing about his life prior to what we have been told in the last 11 days.

At the same point in the yorkshire ripper enquiry, Peter Sutcliffe would still have been filed as a hard working husband,friend and son

It was only with knowledge of his whole story that we were able to see that his whole life had been the making of a serial killer.

So for now i am open to both arguments with this chap.

I think there must be something to be read into the notable lack of support for his character.

Where is his wife to protest his innocence?
Where are his friends to tell anyone what a top guy he is?
What about his employer?
Or for that matter his workmates?
Where is the crowdfunding page to contribute to helping him fight this "injustice"?

All we have had is a very iffy sounding tale from a relative in norway and a not exactly 100% convincing "he was always a good boy" from his mother.

Sometimes what you cannot hear speaks more loudly than anything audible ever could

 

[Ryuk]

I just have a read through the last pages of the previous thread and thought I'd clear a couple of things up.

1. Hessle road does not run off Beverley Road
2. All taxi firms in Hull have been contacted to gather PDA information on all drivers (The PDAs are what offices use to monitor drivers. As soon as they are switched on the immediately contact the office computers. A record is also kept of when they are switched off.

A question:

When the man in the car is first seen he comes back to his car and appears to roll a cig. Had he already been talking to Libby?
He then disappears and comes back. Did he witness her get up and head in the direction of Beresford? Did she leave in a hurry and leave something such as a coat behind? If so, could that be what is seen being put in the car and did he then pursue her to return it? Doing this may look to be an amiable act that allowed him to talk to her once again down Bereseford.

 

[wtiger]

Marzena Relowicz – whose son Pawel, 24, is being questioned by police over the missing student – said ‘everyone has a weak side and there is no such thing as an ideal person’.

Not an overwhelming vote of confidence from your mother is it?

She says that she was "told" that he had given her a lift......but does not say who told her.


Asked whether her son had a second job as an unlicensed taxi driver, Mrs Relowicz said: ‘It’s so far away that I don’t ask. Maybe he did something – everybody does what they can.’

Again....not exactly what i would call a staunch defence

These quotes directly from the interview with his mother link below


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Interestingly says that she visited him in hull...im guessing that creeping around stealing sex toys was not part of her escorted tour itinerary??

 

[margarita25]

Paul Bernardo was a peeper before he started following women from bus stops and attacking them. Then he graduated to full blown abduction, with his wife as an accomplice, torture and murder. Didn't Russell Williams follow the same pattern?

Yes I mentioned Russell Williams as well, Otto. He had quite the collection of stolen women’s undergarments.

 

[porkypies]

If the stolen items were recovered from his house, since he has pled not guilty to all charges, how would he explain how they got there - 'don't know' 'no comment' or was given them or bought them from someone, in which case another person is implicated in the burglaries and yet another person was the flasher? so his unluck is running very high in all aspects of this case.

 

[coldmoon]

First post! Been following this case closely with all of you.

I keep thinking of the Golden State Killer who was the Visalia Ransacker before he progressed to killing. He constantly prowled neighbourhoods at night, peeping and burglarizing (for odd items), well before he started raping and then eventually killing. These less intrusive activities perhaps lose their thrill and moving toward more direct action becomes a challenge and a "need" it seems.

 

[margarita25]

First post! Been following this case closely with all of you.

I keep thinking of the Golden State Killer who was the Visalia Ransacker before he progressed to killing. He constantly prowled neighbourhoods at night, peeping and burglarizing (for odd items), well before he started raping and then eventually killing. These less intrusive activities perhaps lose their thrill and moving toward more direct action becomes a challenge and a "need" it seems. JMO

ETA - I'm Canadian and it's so gross that both PB and RW are from my country :/

Welcome coldmoon

 

[otto]

Very much agree with you here.

I am very interested in the psychology of offenders and have thought from the beginning here that he does not quite fit comfortably into a particular mould.....

..but in the back of my mind is the feeling that we are not working with the full facts here.

For example we know nothing about his life prior to what we have been told in the last 11 days.

At the same point in the yorkshire ripper enquiry, Peter Sutcliffe would still have been filed as a hard working husband,friend and son

It was only with knowledge of his whole story that we were able to see that his whole life had been the making of a serial killer.

So for now i am open to both arguments with this chap.

I think there must be something to be read into the notable lack of support for his character.

Where is his wife to protest his innocence?
Where are his friends to tell anyone what a top guy he is?
What about his employer?
Or for that matter his workmates?
Where is the crowdfunding page to contribute to helping him fight this "injustice"?

All we have had is a very iffy sounding tale from a relative in norway and a not exactly 100% convincing "he was always a good boy" from his mother.

Sometimes what you cannot hear speaks more loudly than anything audible ever could

Could the investigation have started by following up with the car on CCTV, that led to his house, his house led to the discovery of the stolen laptop and other stolen items, that would have led to related investigations in the area related to stolen items and perhaps peeping.

I think there are several serial killers who started as peepers, then break and enter to steal personal items from women (like underwear), then assault, and eventually abduction and murder.