Alyce
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GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #25
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Judge says she will accept a majority verdict
Justice Lambert has told the jury: “In a moment I’m going to let you continue your deliberations.
"If you find you cannot all agree on your verdict I will now accept a verdict that 11 or 10 of you agree on. This means I can accept a guilty or not guilty verdict of a majority of either 10-2 or 11-1.”
Libby Squire trial live as jury deliberate murder and rape charges
Judge says she will accept a majority verdict
Justice Lambert has told the jury: “In a moment I’m going to let you continue your deliberations.
"If you find you cannot all agree on your verdict I will now accept a verdict that 11 or 10 of you agree on. This means I can accept a guilty or not guilty verdict of a majority of either 10-2 or 11-1.”
Libby Squire trial live as jury deliberate murder and rape charges
He has got his money's worth from that blue suit.I wonder if it gets cleaned over the weekend.
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Justice Lambert has told the jury she will now accept a majority verdict. This means she will accept a guilty verdict that 11 or 10 jurors agree on.
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Justice Lambert has told the jury she will now accept a majority verdict. This means she will accept a guilty verdict that 11 or 10 jurors agree on.
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11-2 is unlikely
eta : changed now
Thanks for pointing it out, just edited it! Think the journalist writing it got a bit carried away!
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I've been on a jury, covering 3 cases over 2 weeks.. it was interesting but awful for me ..the responsibility of deciding a person's fate. It's the BARD that gets me, how can one ever be sure unless there is absolute proof?
One case went to 10-2 after I changed my not quilty to guilty, after the other members persuaded me. After the verdict the 'accused' long list of other previous crimes were read out I felt slightly better that we'd made the right decision. It didn't help that his pregnant wife was in the gallery screaming at us. Very intimidating!
I was called up again for jury service in a different area recently, and told them honestly I wasn't brave enough to be on a jury and I was let off!!
I thought the judge offering to accept a majority verdict would make me feel a little bit less anxious... Nope, it's made my anxiety go through the roof! That's me not getting anything on my to-do list done today. My phone may as well be glued to my hand until 16:30.
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For me PRs defence is full of lies so all I can really tell from that is he is lying ..in this case where 3 different ( all serious) crimes are involved his lies and behaviour could be down to either of the possible crimes.
His defence being worthless other than that takes me to look at the prosecution case and what parts have been proven.
For me I'd be sure he took her to the back of the park and raped her ...so thats my starting point to the rest of what happened..not oak rd
Because the prosecution case have shown she was towards the river and Because the rape was only 15min after she seemed to walk to the car.. for me ..her having as much time as needed ..she could have managed to get up and no matter how awkwardly or slowly reached the rivers edge ...its possible as no piece of evidence tells us its not . There are some areas near the boathouse with no reeds and a direct drop into the river.
His actions on returning to Oak Road for the third time can be seen in different ways ..eg..knowing she would not be there , thinking it was ok because for his mind he'd done not much wrong , to remove evidence he had left, to hope to rape her again after his pornfest.
Too many possibilities for me to be sure
Sorry long post ...anyway all been said before so thats where I stand till we he hear more based on the little we know...fingers crossed for libbys family today
Me too. I cannot concentrate on anything else.
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Thankyou in advance for the updates @jamjim ! As always it's very much appreciated. Hopefully today brings some closure and justice for Libby...whatever we all think we will never know for sure what truely happened but what we do know is a young girl, with her whole life ahead of her very sadly lost her life.
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Reprising part of my post from yesterday for relevance.
When can a majority direction be given?
The Juries Act 1974 requires at least 2 hours to pass between a jury retiring and a majority direction being given, but the convention is to allow at least 2 hours and 10 minutes, to take into account the time it will take any jury to get from the courtroom to the jury room and back.
In practice it is rare for a judge to give a majority direction after such a short period of time.
Much depends on the complexity of the case and the issues involved. In a long and complex case it can be days before a majority direction is given. Often the judge will only give such a direction after discussion with the prosecution and defence dvocates.
Notwithstanding the precise timing of a majority direction, it is extremely important that a jury should never feel under pressure of time to reach a verdict.
Taking the verdict after a majority direction
If a jury returns after receiving a majority direction, the court clerk will ask the foreman if at least 10 of them (or 9 if there are only 10 jurors) have agreed upon their verdict; if the answer is yes, the foreman will be asked for the verdict.
If the verdict is Guilty the foreman will be asked if that is ‘the verdict of you all or by a majority?’ If it is by a majority the next question is how many agreed and how many dissented?
If, on the other hand, the verdict is Not Guilty the court clerk will not ask how many agreed or dissented.
There is no difference in effect between a unanimous and a majority guilty verdict – both mean unequivocally that the defendant has been found guilty of the offence. As such there can be no reduction in sentence because a conviction was by a majority and a majority verdict does not provide of itself a ground of appeal.
Not Guilty Verdict
If the verdict is not guilty, the defendant will be discharged and free to leave court if (s)he is not facing other charges.
Once a defendant is found Not Guilty, the proceedings against them are over. This means that following a Not Guilty verdict bail no longer applies to them. They are free to leave unconditionally.
Hung Jury - What happens when the jury cannot agree on a verdict?
If a jury have had a majority direction but are still unable to reach a verdict, they will often send a note to the judge to the effect that they have reached the end of the line.
In such a situation, if the judge feels there is nothing to be gained by continuing, the jury will be discharged. A judge is unable to force the jury to return a verdict.
If a jury cannot agree on a verdict, either unanimously or by a permissible majority, the whole jury will be discharged.
A jury who are unable to agree on a verdict are known as a hung jury. It is often quite obvious when a jury cannot reach a verdict, not only from the time it is taking to hear from them but also from their body language when they are asked to return to the courtroom.
Crown Court Trial Part 6 - Verdict — Defence-Barrister.co.uk
When can a majority direction be given?
The Juries Act 1974 requires at least 2 hours to pass between a jury retiring and a majority direction being given, but the convention is to allow at least 2 hours and 10 minutes, to take into account the time it will take any jury to get from the courtroom to the jury room and back.
In practice it is rare for a judge to give a majority direction after such a short period of time.
Much depends on the complexity of the case and the issues involved. In a long and complex case it can be days before a majority direction is given. Often the judge will only give such a direction after discussion with the prosecution and defence dvocates.
Notwithstanding the precise timing of a majority direction, it is extremely important that a jury should never feel under pressure of time to reach a verdict.
Taking the verdict after a majority direction
If a jury returns after receiving a majority direction, the court clerk will ask the foreman if at least 10 of them (or 9 if there are only 10 jurors) have agreed upon their verdict; if the answer is yes, the foreman will be asked for the verdict.
If the verdict is Guilty the foreman will be asked if that is ‘the verdict of you all or by a majority?’ If it is by a majority the next question is how many agreed and how many dissented?
If, on the other hand, the verdict is Not Guilty the court clerk will not ask how many agreed or dissented.
There is no difference in effect between a unanimous and a majority guilty verdict – both mean unequivocally that the defendant has been found guilty of the offence. As such there can be no reduction in sentence because a conviction was by a majority and a majority verdict does not provide of itself a ground of appeal.
Not Guilty Verdict
If the verdict is not guilty, the defendant will be discharged and free to leave court if (s)he is not facing other charges.
Once a defendant is found Not Guilty, the proceedings against them are over. This means that following a Not Guilty verdict bail no longer applies to them. They are free to leave unconditionally.
Hung Jury - What happens when the jury cannot agree on a verdict?
If a jury have had a majority direction but are still unable to reach a verdict, they will often send a note to the judge to the effect that they have reached the end of the line.
In such a situation, if the judge feels there is nothing to be gained by continuing, the jury will be discharged. A judge is unable to force the jury to return a verdict.
If a jury cannot agree on a verdict, either unanimously or by a permissible majority, the whole jury will be discharged.
A jury who are unable to agree on a verdict are known as a hung jury. It is often quite obvious when a jury cannot reach a verdict, not only from the time it is taking to hear from them but also from their body language when they are asked to return to the courtroom.
Crown Court Trial Part 6 - Verdict — Defence-Barrister.co.uk
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I wonder if the Claremont witnesses ever got to show on a map where they thought the screams were coming from.
“My bedroom was at the back of the house. It sounded like it was coming from the right hand side of Oak Road playing fields."
Pawel Relowicz returns to witness stand as week two of trial ends
If there is any possibility this was less audible to SA because of trees or anything, if Libby had moved further away.
“My bedroom was at the back of the house. It sounded like it was coming from the right hand side of Oak Road playing fields."
Pawel Relowicz returns to witness stand as week two of trial ends
If there is any possibility this was less audible to SA because of trees or anything, if Libby had moved further away.
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Same, I feel sick now. I really think it will be today now. Thinking of and sending love to Libbys family and friends right now <3
I still think that's what they'll do. I'll be shocked if it's manslaughter. Zero chance they'll acquit him
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