Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #12 *ARREST*

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  1. Joelle88

    Joelle88 Well-Known Member

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    I imagine that by July, Pawel will be considerably larger in size. Every time I see him, he appears to have put on more weight. I’m just wondering if this a clever ploy to alter his appearance as much as he can in time for the trial.
     
  2. PaddyOreally?

    PaddyOreally? Well-Known Member

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    I bet there's a lot of things he's done that people haven't reported as well that we'll never know about.
     
  3. jessie

    jessie Well-Known Member

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    As Hull is East Riding of Yorkshire and Sheffield South Yorkshire - are they different constituencies?
     
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    Sera Well-Known Member

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    Screenshot_20190318-162455.png Can I just confirm that it's this tiny little road here? Thanks for your help @Vermont24
     
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  5. Vermont24

    Vermont24 Well-Known Member

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    Different worlds.
     
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  6. Vermont24

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  7. Strontium69

    Strontium69 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah - these are petty offences, no harm to the PERSON in the legal sense, meaning physical harm. Despite the disturbing nature of these offences, it is a big jump to go on to actually harming a person. There are a LOT of missing links to go from voyeur and petty thief to the level of possible rape and murder.

    Which is why the nagging thoughts of accomplice/gang or a sudden escalation into a situation that went horribly wrong.

    The problem with the 'accidental' scenario and him just striking at an opportunity, is the complete lack of a physical trail/body.

    That fact alone heavily suggests premeditation, planning, and possibly accomplice. (The only other alternative is utter Police incompetence)
     
  8. jessie

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    So different electoral registers then ? I think (?) juries are selected from electoral registers.
     
  9. Vermont24

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    Yeah. No chance of anyone from Hull serving, and purposely so. It's too high-profile here.
     
  10. jessie

    jessie Well-Known Member

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    :D:D:eek: Now we all know about your flat feet anyway !! :)
     
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  11. Vermont24

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    I was joking. They've an elegant arch, naturally.
     
  12. Armchair_Defective

    Armchair_Defective Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with there being no harm in a legal sense. The Burglary sentencing guidelines detail:
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    Factors indicating greater harm
    • Theft of/damage to property causing a significant degree of loss to the victim (whether economic, sentimental or personal value)
    • Soiling, ransacking or vandalism of property
    • Occupier at home (or returns home) while offender present '
      • Trauma to the victim, beyond the normal inevitable consequence of intrusion and theft

      • Other aggravating factors
        Established evidence of community impact"
    He allegedly soiled property, and the items taken were very personal which could cause more stress to the victims. I also wouldn't be surprised if he may have been interrupted by one of the occupants. He created a climate of fear. These things are all overstepping the boundaries from regular burglary imo.
     
  13. Spy Versus Spy

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    Definitely jessie, as Vermont as already stated.

    Sadly, he neglected to mention ,as background knowledge, that neither is 'Proper' Yorkshire, that is a Divine boundaried area mortally known as 'West Yorkshie'
     
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    This map is so useful and helpful! Thank you.
     
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  15. Vermont24

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    You've given yourself away as actually being my partner's dad now.
     
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    Joolz1975 Well-Known Member

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    Knowing my luck I will get called for jury service for this and not be able to do it!
     
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  17. Vermont24

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    The police helicopter has actually been in the area a fair bit today. Due to budget cuts, we share it with Sheffield, so it's not too common a sight.

    It's overflown rather than circled, so it's probably nothing.
     
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    I'd agree. The opportunistic rape and accidental killing would have left a trail.

    The leap from petty perv to murderer - I'm not sure. The charges are really scary to the victims. And there already must be a degree of planning. He's already entering into people's houses to steal personal items. Nobody knows what could be going through his mind as fantasy.

    I find the receiving a stolen phone belonging to a woman a bit disturbing. Could it be an accomplice with similar tastes.
     
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  19. Strontium69

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    Okay, but no mention of the PERSON, which is my point. In a legal sense the PERSON is your corporeal body. In that sense he has caused no (direct physical) harm. I'm not trying to claim these are 'victimless' crimes, or that they do not cause harm, distress or pain. But there is a definite difference between these and crimes AGAINST THE PERSON.

    I'm making a specific distinction of causing direct physical harm to the PERSON, face-to-face, as opposed to causing distress to a 'victim'.

    From a perpetrators point of view, a burglar could operate for 50 years, causing pain and distress to multiple people, yet on a person to person basis NEVER be capable of raising a hand to harm another PERSON.

    So, how are we bridging the gap from these petty crimes to a serious physical crime. I'm not a follower of criminology, this is my first involvement in something like this.

    What would be the pattern to escalate from such petty crimes for self gratification, particularly with a sexual element, to major physical crimes against a person?
     
  20. Strontium69

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    The receiving of the mobile phone is an interesting element.
     
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