Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #16 *ARREST*

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  1. Marulinka

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  2. CoverMeCagney

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  3. Cherwell

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    I don't quite follow your problem with this.

    The police may have had his prints and DNA on file in connection with the earlier offences, but they were unidentified.

    They were only able to match them to PR after he was arrested in connection with the Libby case, presumably following the CCTV evidence.

    Some of the offences for which he has now been jailed may only have been reported after his arrest, when the victims recognised his face from the media reports.
     
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    On that note It would be very intetesting to see what kind of psychological profiling has been done in missing Libbys case. But I guess it wont be very telling unless they know place/manner of death.
     
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    My confusion is simple. It arises from the fact that the press reports suggest he was allowed to continue offending (I prefer the word able rather than allowed) because DNA and prints were not put on police records. Police then saying that that had to join dots which took time.


    It doesn't matter that he wasn't known to the police and they didn't have his DNA.

    It doesn't matter that they couldn't match his DNA to him at that point.

    What matters is the same DNA cropped up in several similar reported offences - as pointed out in court.

    Yet the prosecution suggest no links were made.

    Isn't the point of a database to flag up the same prints or DNA being found at several crime scenes occurring at different times? Shouldn't they flag up that fact? The police wouldn't have to search it would be there for them. Same person that did this also committed an offence two months ago and three years ago and whatever.

    I'm assuming the prosection are suggesting that didn't happen because records weren't uploaded? Suggesting individual officers were working on individual cases unaware the same DNA had appeared before - indicating a serial offender? That DNA wasn't compared until later?

    If that wasn't the case what were the prosection referring to

    What else could they have meant?
     
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    I agree with you.

    They couldn't link the samples to him, but they could link them together and know that all of these crimes are being committed by the same person. Living in Hull, I know for sure that this link was never made public if they did know about it. No awareness spread that an individual like this was active. You'd think it was in the best interests of the public to know? So yeah, I don't think they made the link themselves at all.
     
  7. motherofdaughters

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    I agree with all of this.
    He’s quite clever I think and is playing a long game.
    I’m not convinced he actually laid his hands in LS but I’m more on board with him being the cause of her death in one way or another.
     
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    Do we know how many of his offences were actually reported to the police before his face was in the media?
     
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    This beast would deserve death for what he did. Unfortunately moronic British politicians abolished years ago the capital punishment, and he won't be punished properly... :mad:
     
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    No, I don't think so. And you've reminded me of something I meant to post after details were revealed in court - I wonder if anyone else will come forward about incidents involving a man in a Scream mask?
     
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    I have read that as two separate things from the court
    They commented that he could go on offending because hed never had need to have his prints taken

    And that it took a while to link all the cases because they were varied and not sure if all involved DNA or prints
    I'm not sure if it was available for all the voyerism incidents for example
    Maybe anything with DNA or prints flagged up straight away other things took longer to link eg the stuff in the boot also
     
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    The Voyeurism and masturbation crimes he admitted to were ones that seem to have DNA and fingerprint evidence suggesting they were reported fairly quickly and dealt with reasonably quickly. Evidence like that doesn't last for years.

    In addition I cannot imagine any student I know not reporting such terrifying crimes.

    However having re read the original report it does sound like they meant they couldn't catch him rather than specifically that they couldn't link the crimes. So yes I agree in that respect

    But surely DNA they had they could have noted it was a very small area of offending. It could have added extra detail from one crime to others - for example his accent, his build.

    As all the offences are close to Newlands Avenue which is teeming with shops, including a Polish shop at the end of his road why not circulate his descriptions?.
     
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    In that respect do you mean he had an accomplice?

    I think his bizarre story to his sister is to explain her DNA on him so I think he will have laid his hands on her.

    I think much rests on what we know we don't know. Why doesn't spidercam show him parking and leaving his car? Libby's bench is about 30 seconds from spidercam why is he away for as long as he is?

    What is the significance of the scream mask? It doesn't appear in any of his known offences
     
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    Looking back on that, it's interesting to note he escalated from breaking in to steal the underwear - to violent assault in just 2 years. As soon as he started physical assaults it escalated to rape and murder in just a few weeks. Breaking into houses to scare victims and then returning to do it again, reminds me of Pawel the perv!
     
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    I think we should have a strike system. If every 2nd violent or sexual assault resulted in 25 years ( no parole) we would protect so many people from these offenders. Prisons would be bursting at the seams though o_O
     
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    Nah, it's a good thing they got rid of the death penalty. It has no place in a civilised society IMO. But they do need to make sentences stronger. Life should always mean life in jail.
     
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    I'm interested in what we can learn from this (I just revisited spidercam for first time in a while!)
    Personally I think 1 min 40 seconds is about right in terms of getting to her persuading her to take his "help" and getting back to car
    But regards spidercam not showing him park and leave.. I presumed that was because they just wanted to show the relevant bits public could help with ? What's your thinking?
     
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    I think you’re right. And it’s horrendous to imagine what it is he’s trying to defend with this alleged tale of Libby coming onto him and him having to push her off.
     
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    To me life in prison is just a waste of money.
    To me country without capital punishment are not civilised...I can't see anything "civilised" in not properly punish criminals!
    Death is the most effective punishment you can imagine. Have you ever seen an executed criminal doing something bad after his execution?
    Just my humble opinion of course! :cool:
     
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    25 years without parole...not a bad idea but if the criminals kill (even if he's a "first timer") he should get death. Nothing less. :mad:
     
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