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Urgent care director felt 'out of depth' over Lucy Letby claims

Karen Townsend told the Thirlwall Inquiry she was only aware of "vague" concerns.
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"Ms Millward, who was head of risk and patient safety at the hospital, was asked about an email she and others received from a consultant in March 2016 which identified a number of unexpected deaths on the neonatal unit and had a table showing which nurses were on duty.

She said: "There’s a very unhealthy culture in the NHS to copy people into emails so you can say that you have told so and so when in fact you haven’t, and from what I can recall of the email this is not a final report.

"The email had no specific instruction. It’s unfair to say I’m obliged to open an email and open an attachment and read it.”
 
If I was trying to communicate that I thought someone was responsible for the deaths I would say it not email it. Not a moment for the cat to have your tongue is it?

To give her some credit she's right. Unopened emails aren't abnormal, I might be wrong but her inbox might be full of unimportant and thus Unopened emails.
 
Sweeper2000 said:
If I was trying to communicate that I thought someone was responsible for the deaths I would say it not email it. Not a moment for the cat to have your tongue is it?

To give her some credit she's right. Unopened emails aren't abnormal, I might be wrong but her inbox might be full of unimportant and thus Unopened emails.
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Personally, I'd do both. Tell them verbally then confirm what was said with an email commencing, Dear Person, Further to our conversation of earlier, you will be aware that it is my belief/suspicion that Person is a serial killer.... or words giving similar effect.

So, I had to edit that and add the words "person" because three letter X in a row gets censored!
 
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Tortoise said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Urgent care director felt 'out of depth' over Lucy Letby claims

Karen Townsend told the Thirlwall Inquiry she was only aware of "vague" concerns.
www.bbc.co.uk

"Ms Millward, who was head of risk and patient safety at the hospital, was asked about an email she and others received from a consultant in March 2016 which identified a number of unexpected deaths on the neonatal unit and had a table showing which nurses were on duty.

She said: "There’s a very unhealthy culture in the NHS to copy people into emails so you can say that you have told so and so when in fact you haven’t, and from what I can recall of the email this is not a final report.

"The email had no specific instruction. It’s unfair to say I’m obliged to open an email and open an attachment and read it.”
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Re: Millward
It’s not an “unhealthy culture” to send emails. Certainly NOT unhealthy to document, in writing, concerns, to the Head of RISK and Patient SAFETY!!!

This person has crafted a very pathetic excuse for her failure to perform the most basic tasks required for her job.

I hope someone, asked her in a very sarcastic tone: What was the healthy, and fair way for consultant to communicate patient safety concerns (which included supporting data) to you as Head of Risk and Patient Safety?

Surely emails are healthy and fair: in writing, time & date stamped, marked received when opened … and the sender’s name, a consultant, is visible. Why else would a consultant be writing to Head of Risk & Patient Safety ???? How she can so casually disregard her responsibility ?
 
Baby baby Jane said:
Re: Millward
It’s not an “unhealthy culture” to send emails. Certainly NOT unhealthy to document, in writing, concerns, to the Head of RISK and Patient SAFETY!!!

This person has crafted a very pathetic excuse for her failure to perform the most basic tasks required for her job.

I hope someone, asked her in a very sarcastic tone: What was the healthy, and fair way for consultant to communicate patient safety concerns (which included supporting data) to you as Head of Risk and Patient Safety?

Surely emails are healthy and fair: in writing, time & date stamped, marked received when opened … and the sender’s name, a consultant, is visible. Why else would a consultant be writing to Head of Risk & Patient Safety ???? How she can so casually disregard her responsibility ?
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Absolutely...he chose to copy her in for a reason..her Job !
Even if it was copied in to a hundred other people she should have at least advised the Consultant of the formal reporting procedure she described..minimum
 
Ms [Hayley] Griffiths messaged Letby: “I’m currently watching a programme called how to get away with murder. I’m learning some good tips.”

Letby replied: “I could have given you some tips x”

Ms Griffiths went on: “I need someone to practice on to see if I can get away with it.”

Letby said: “I can think of two people you could practice on and will help you cover it up x”

Ms Griffiths said: “Deal. I will get thinking of a plan. Get the cruise booked as our getaway.”

The pair were working at the time in the hospital’s risk and patient safety department where Ms Griffiths said she, and “quite a lot of us”, became friends with Letby.

www.independent.co.uk

Lucy Letby offered to give ‘tips’ on how to get away with murder, inquiry told

The nurse swapped messages with a colleague about the TV drama How to Get Away with Murder.
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Also contains letter from Letby's parents to the hospital.
 
I think she's being less of a madame in that office but then she's not competing is she? The patient safety office is not where the most unwell babies are hey?

She seems likeable in that exchange disregarding the totally and strangely inappropriate content.
 
Yeh David Davis is talking rubbish. He just said you don't Rd about air embolism in a normal textbook. Wasnt it herself who said she didn't know what one is and then changed it ?
 
Tortoise said:

INQ0057494 – Statement from John and Susan Letby, parents of Lucy Letby, relating to Letby’s removal from the neonatal unit, dated 09/01/2017 | The Thirlwall Inquiry

Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.
thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk
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At the time when all this started in July on Lucy's return from Annual Leave we were quite concerned and upset that she didn't contact us immediately about what was going on which is totally out of character for her. Only by chance we found out that she had contacted the Royal College of Nursing and we wondered if she had done the right thing.

Is it just me or is that actually as bonkers crazy as it reads? Who tf would think that someone should not contact their professional body?

Only my opinion, obvs, but the use of the words "concerned", "upset" and "immediately" (in that they expected to be the first people to know about anything significant in her life) might be suggestive of a rather controlling attitude towards her.

And that's genuinely only the first paragraph I've read - what's next, I wonder?
 
Such is her commitment to working at the Countess that earlier this year she bought a house close to the hospital. Obviously, had we known of these allegations back in 2015 we would never have committed to this purchase which has left her with a huge financial penalty if she were to sell up.

As many on here suspected, help from the parents to buy the house. Not unusual in itself, certainly, but it helps to build the picture. Given the words used, I reckon they'd signed as guarantors or something?
 
Sweeper2000 said:
I think she's being less of a madame in that office but then she's not competing is she? The patient safety office is not where the most unwell babies are hey?

She seems likeable in that exchange disregarding the totally and strangely inappropriate content.
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I might think she was likeable except for her joking around about being able to give someone tips on how to hide murders. That would be funny if she wasn't under investigation for killing 8 babies in that same building. :mad:


“I’m currently watching a programme called how to get away with murder. I’m learning some good tips.”

Letby replied: “I could have given you some tips x”

Isn't Letby working in that department now because the Doctors believed she was killing the patients? So she jokes around about giving tips about how to get away with murder?
 
katydid23 said:
I might think she was likeable except for her joking around about being able to give someone tips on how to hide murders. That would be funny if she wasn't under investigation for killing 8 babies in that same building. :mad:


“I’m currently watching a programme called how to get away with murder. I’m learning some good tips.”

Letby replied: “I could have given you some tips x”

Isn't Letby working in that department now because the Doctors believed she was killing the patients? So she jokes around about giving tips about how to get away with murder?
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I'm not sure she was joking!

Wonder who the 2 people were that she had in mind to "practice on"?
 
katydid23 said:
I might think she was likeable except for her joking around about being able to give someone tips on how to hide murders. That would be funny if she wasn't under investigation for killing 8 babies in that same building. :mad:


“I’m currently watching a programme called how to get away with murder. I’m learning some good tips.”

Letby replied: “I could have given you some tips x”

Isn't Letby working in that department now because the Doctors believed she was killing the patients? So she jokes around about giving tips about how to get away with murder?
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I can appreciate dark humour being a part of some jobs but that's so out of place. On the part of the office worker I might gauge this is more of a human Freudian slip than a attempt at genuine humour. They do happen allot, it's when the shadow background thinking slips out. I really really do think that's out. Reminds me of what her friend says in cs2c video about her being inappropriate. If I was in her position that's literally the last thing I would say.
 
Marantz4250b said:
At the time when all this started in July on Lucy's return from Annual Leave we were quite concerned and upset that she didn't contact us immediately about what was going on which is totally out of character for her. Only by chance we found out that she had contacted the Royal College of Nursing and we wondered if she had done the right thing.

Is it just me or is that actually as bonkers crazy as it reads? Who tf would think that someone should not contact their professional body?

Only my opinion, obvs, but the use of the words "concerned", "upset" and "immediately" (in that they expected to be the first people to know about anything significant in her life) might be suggestive of a rather controlling attitude towards her.

And that's genuinely only the first paragraph I've read - what's next, I wonder?
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My reaction on reading that was that she clearly had a guilty conscience. She tells her parents everything, but not this...

And yeah the line about buying the house screams enmeshment imo
 
bbsaz said:
My reaction on reading that was that she clearly had a guilty conscience. She tells her parents everything, but not this...

And yeah the line about buying the house screams enmeshment imo
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I'm not sure that it tells us much about her, as such, but more about her parents, tbh.

There are numerous reasons as to why she didn't tell them, I don't think a guilty conscience is the only reason.

As with everything with her and this case as a whole it just keeps getting more bizarre with every little fact that comes out relating to it.
 
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