UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024

[PoirotPink]

Makes you wonder whether some UK WS’ers might even be afraid to like the above post. If that’s the case (and I don’t think it’s a reach given the sentences meted out for apparently tweeting or texting one’s opinion), how tragic for the UK (jmo)

Sanctions for Russian misinformation linked to Kate rumours

A Russian network sanctioned by the UK for misinformation was linked to false rumours about the Princess of Wales.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm from the UK and was in the UK at the time of the riots. I saw the misinformation unfold on social media but I was also interacting with people in my town / county on the nextdoor app. The differences I noted were that 99.9% of the posts on the nextdoor app were angry at the rioters and those spreading misinformation. People in my town and the wider county were united against the rioters.

This is in contrast with what I saw on other social media where the "majority" of posts were racist and people challenging racism were having their posts removed, creating even more of an imbalance where it seemed like everyone in Britain was a racist. Why such a difference in reality (people on the neighbourhood app, where you know you're talking to a real person in your community) and social media sites (with lots of anonyous accounts, known use of bots and foreign accounts pretending to be British). Bottom line, don't believe what you see on social media. This also leads to the "conformity" effect where people will side with whatever they think is the popular view in order to fit in. Hence, there were lots of posts from people who got swept up in the misinformation despite not having in past associations with groups like the EDL. What they posted was still abhorrent and they have a lot of self-reflection to do.

The article I've linked above demonstrates how misinformation is spread online and why it's happening! To fall victim to misinformation is not helpful to individuals or the country.

 

[Chimera]

Not sure I agree with this . Seems to be another attempt at deflecting away from him being a terrorist.

Sounds like this teen killer was being influenced by Al-Qaida ?
If that's not terrorist mentality, what is ?
If the UK doesn't nip this violence in the bud it's going to get much worse.

My thoughts on the reason he didn’t take the ricin to Heart Space is simply because it wasn’t ready in time, the police stated it was in production.

The Swifty dance class had been advertised for weeks prior to the murders so was it a planned terrorist attack ? His weapon wasn’t ready but decided to carry out his plan anyways ‍ I can’t think of any other motives

Bbm.
Imo -- the answer to the bolded is, yes.
He knew young people would be there and easy prey.
It was a classic example of a budding terrorist, based on the materials found and the ricin substances he was creating.
Sad when a young person is already falling under the spell of an evil ideology.
Also I'm interested in his electronics, computer/internet search history, and whom he may have been communicating with ?

Rest in peace to the young victims.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

He looks like he cannot stand his own stench, imo, speculation.

Snipped for focus.
Lol.

Imo, he is trying to conceal his face, in the same manner some perps will pull up their shirts over their faces during a perp walk.
Hiding out of shame ?
Omo.

 

[PoirotPink]

It was a classic example of a budding terrorist, based on the materials found and the ricin substances he was creating.

There was terrorist incident in France, where they used guns at a concert. Is everyone who owns and uses a gun, with the intention of taking a life, a terrorist?

This is the definition:
The Terrorism Act 2000 defines terrorism, both in and outside of the UK, as the use or threat of one or more of the actions listed below, and where they are designed to influence the government, or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public. The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

 

[Chimera]

Translated from Dutch press :

“The new indictment follows, among other things, after house searches. In doing so, the police discovered that he had in his possession a manual from the Islamic terrorist movement Al Qaeda on committing terror in cities. He also turned out to have produced ricin at home, a substance that is almost exclusively used as a chemical weapon, according to the Chemical Weapons Convention”
BBM

Verdachte steekpartij Southport aangeklaagd voor terrorisme na vondst Al Qaida-handboek

I don’t remember, if he was living at his parents/ family house ,att
How many houses were searched?

ETA:
“The charges come after searches of his home in Banks, Lancashire, Merseyside Police Chief Constable Serena Kennedy said at a press conference on Tuesday.”
Southport stabbing suspect charged with terror offence and production of poison
Families with children are 'posing for photos' outside murder accused's house

And was he planning to commit a chemical attack in a city?

Red emphasis mine.

He is a classic example of terrorism.
At least for now he should be considered extremely dangerous and needs to be locked away for the remainder of his life.

Stabbing has to be horribly painful, basically bleeding out slowly !

It seems he has fallen for the Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism ideology, whole heartedly, and may never be safe to be allowed to walk freely in normal society.
It's scary to think there may be more like him who are waiting to act.
Silent terrorist sleeper cells.
Or like him, a lone perpetrator ?
Omo.

 

[Sillybilly]

In the UK it isn't a decision whether to trial as a juvenile or adult. They are trialed as a juvenile if they are a juvenile.

Not necessarily.

from Trying youths as adults | College of Policing.

Under certain circumstances – usually the severity of the offence or dangerousness of the offender – youths may be transferred to the adult system on the basis that adult courts can award tougher penalties. This may deter crime and reduce future offending.

 

[Dotta]

"Southport stabbings: ​

What we know about suspect​

Axel Rudakubana."​

Southport stabbings: What we know about suspect Axel Rudakubana amid terror charge

Axel Rudakubana was charged on Tuesday with a terror offence and making a biological toxin

www.independent.co.uk

 

[worldwatcher]

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper would have been told 'within hours' that ricin was found at home of Southport 'killer', experts say as pressure mounts over terror charge 'cover-up'

"Counter terrorism and biological weapons experts said that confirmation the toxin had been discovered would have been briefed to ministers due to fears about its potential use by terrorists."

Home Secretary 'would have been told about ricin discovery'

If that doesn't worry you, I don't know what else will....

If misinformation is used, by government and msm, how can we protect ourselves?
Should we live in fear, for being called a racist?

I don't understand, when I see a white guy, with knives or acting suspiciously, I would call the police, or warn by standers, but when a person is black, you might fear for being labelled as a racist, or prison time so you decide, not to warn police or bystanders..??

There is no logic, what happened in The UK.
Sorry, but that's my opinion.
If the government just told the truth and made it clear, that they are taking terror seriously, and understand the concerns of citizens, after the brutal attack on children, I don't think, it would come to riots and unlawfully imprison citizens, for making online comments.
MOO

 

[Yellowbelly]

Red emphasis mine.

He is a classic example of terrorism.
At least for now he should be considered extremely dangerous and needs to be locked away for the remainder of his life.

Stabbing has to be horribly painful, basically bleeding out slowly !

It seems he has fallen for the Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism ideology, whole heartedly, and may never be safe to be allowed to walk freely in normal society.
It's scary to think there may be more like him who are waiting to act.
Silent terrorist sleeper cells.
Or like him, a lone perpetrator ?
Omo.

We need to be careful not to read too much into this. What we know is that he downloaded an Al Qaeda terrorist manual and that he produced some ricin. I think it's a reasonable inference that he's used the manual to find out how to make the ricin. We don't know why he wanted to make ricin or what he was planning to do with it. That he's downloaded an old Al Qaeda manual off the internet no more proves that he's an Islamist than downloading an old IRA manual would prove that he's an Irish <modsnip>!

The fact is that we don't know what his motivation was for the attack or if there was a political or ideological motive, which is what there has to be for it to be a terrorist attack in the UK. Quite rightly, because of sub judice, we won't find out what might have been his motivation until we read whatever is reported at the trial.

 

[ekardh]

That he's downloaded an old Al Qaeda manual off the internet no more proves that he's an Islamist than downloading an old IRA manual would prove that he's an Irish <modsnip>!

This guy murdered young girls who were attending a Taylor Swift dance class. He had no relationship or connection to any of the victims. Why did he target that particular place and victim? The Manchester Area bomber targeted the Aria Grande concert, presumably because that type of music is considered immoral by the IS, and as revenge for Western intervention in the Middle East. Whether directed or inspired by Islamic State terror, there have been attacks launched at other sites such as this. The Southport site wasn't on the main road, the murderer went out of his way and took a cab to get there. There doesn't appear to be anything random about this. Now that it's come out that he was reading Al-Qaeda material, this only confirms what some people originally suspected.

 

[ZeroAlpha]

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper would have been told 'within hours' that ricin was found at home of Southport 'killer', experts say as pressure mounts over terror charge 'cover-up'

"Counter terrorism and biological weapons experts said that confirmation the toxin had been discovered would have been briefed to ministers due to fears about its potential use by terrorists."

Home Secretary 'would have been told about ricin discovery'

If that doesn't worry you, I don't know what else will....

If misinformation is used, by government and msm, how can we protect ourselves?
Should we live in fear, for being called a racist?

I don't understand, when I see a white guy, with knives or acting suspiciously, I would call the police, or warn by standers, but when a person is black, you might fear for being labelled as a racist, or prison time so you decide, not to warn police or bystanders..??

There is no logic, what happened in The UK.
Sorry, but that's my opinion.
If the government just told the truth and made it clear, that they are taking terror seriously, and understand the concerns of citizens, after the brutal attack on children, I don't think, it would come to riots and unlawfully imprison citizens, for making online comments.
MOO

Covering things up never works out well as the truth comes out in due course. This will simply lead to more people not trusting the government or the media.

 

[pokerowan]

If misinformation is used, by government and msm, how can we protect ourselves?
Should we live in fear, for being called a racist?

I don't understand, when I see a white guy, with knives or acting suspiciously, I would call the police, or warn by standers, but when a person is black, you might fear for being labelled as a racist, or prison time so you decide, not to warn police or bystanders..??

There is no logic, what happened in The UK.
Sorry, but that's my opinion.

SBM.... There were bystanders who raised the alarm in this case. Not a single witness said they thought his actions before the attack were normal, he was fully masked up and loudly arguing with a taxi driver beforehand. Many eyewitnesses protected each other and got other businesses into lockdown during the attack. Emergency services and armed police were described as 'descending on the scene' afterwards.

Your opinion is your own, but I think making sweeping 'political correctness gone mad' comments only erases the actions of this community banding together, and trying to protect one another in a moment of pure horror. None of these people were 'scared they might be labelled a racist' to the point that they allowed children to be murdered, and frankly it's insulting to insinuate that. JMO

 

[dotr]

Nov 1, 2024 #TheMirror #News #Politics
The suspect in the Southport stabbing attack has been charged with production of a deadly poison and a terror offence, police have said. Here is a timeline of events relating to the case.

 

[Dotta]

Prosecutors delayed charging Southport suspect due to rioting fears

The mass stabbing at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport on July 29 which killed three girls and left 10 others injured sparked riots across Britain.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[worldwatcher]

Prosecutors delayed charging Southport suspect due to rioting fears

The mass stabbing at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport on July 29 which killed three girls and left 10 others injured sparked riots across Britain.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is it me, or the grip on the UK is completely lost?

 

[*Verdigris]

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2024-11-13/southport-stabbings-suspect-due-to-appear-in-court

Southport stabbings suspect Axel Rudakubana due to appear in court | ITV News Granada
2 hours ago · Axel Rudakubana, 18, is accused of killing three girls, and attempting to kill eight other children, instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman ...
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Southport stabbings suspect due to appear in court - Irish Examiner

Southport stabbings suspect due to appear in court

Axel Rudakubana, is charged with the murders of Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven

www.irishexaminer.com

43 minutes ago · Axel Rudakubana, is charged with the murders of Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven.
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Southport stabbings suspect Axel Rudakubana due in court today

Rudakubana, 18, of Banks in Lancashire, is charged with the murders of Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, six-year-old Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[dotr]

Nov 13, 2024
''The 18-year-old accused of killing three children in a knife attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class is due to appear in court.Axel Rudakubana, of Banks, Lancashire, is charged with the murders of Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, who died following the stabbings at The Hart Space in Southport, Merseyside, shortly before midday on July 29.''

 

[worldwatcher]

"Following the events of Monday 29 July, searches of Axel Rudakubana’s home address resulted in an unknown substance being found – testing confirmed the substance was ricin.

"We have worked extensively with partners to establish that there was a low to very low risk to the public – and I want to make that reassurance clear today. I can also tell you that there was no ricin present at Hart Street.

“When the ricin was discovered, all necessary steps were taken so we could be sure that no one was at risk. This was a multi-agency response. Expert advice, and guidance was received and adhered to throughout the investigation."
https://www.merseyside.police.uk/ne...ollowing-further-charges-for-axel-rudakubana/

Also Range High school put up a statement:
RHS Oct 24 - Range High

 

[Skigh]

Southport 'killer' refuses to speak as he appears in court

Rudakubana was not asked to enter a plea during the short hearing at Liverpool Crown Court.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Southport murder suspect Axel Rudakubana is to face a single trial over the stabbings and more recent charges relating to the alleged discovery of ricin and an Al Qaeda manual at his home, a court ruled today.

Rudakubana, accused of murdering schoolgirls Bebe King, six, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and Alice Dasilva Aguiar, nine, at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class on July 29, was not asked to enter a plea during the short hearing at Liverpool Crown Court.

 

[Smccat]

From Skigh's DM link above. #739 - Same behaviour as last time.

During today's 30-minute hearing at Liverpool Crown Court, Mr Justice Julian Goose ruled that both indictments should be joined together and Rudakubana face a single trial, to take place from January 20 and last four to six weeks.

The defendant, who watched by videolink from Belmarsh Prison, South East London, was twice asked to confirm his name but refused to reply and sat in his grey prison tracksuit with the sweatshirt pulled over his mouth and nose.

A prison officer confirmed he could hear proceedings and defence barrister Stan Reiz, KC, confirmed his identity.

Prosecutor Deanna Heer, KC, said: 'He's (Rudakubana) taken the same position at every opportunity.'

He will be asked to enter pleas during a further hearing on December 12.