GUILTY UK - Margaret Fleming, 19, Inverclyde, Scotland, 17 Dec 1999 *Deceased/Not Found*

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  1. mumofboys93

    mumofboys93 Active Member

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    I fear you are correct.
    This calculated pair knew exactly what they were doing. It’s a farce that they got away with it for so long.
    Those photographs of Margaret with her hair shaved are haunting :(
     
  2. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Deliberately got herself remanded after calling police to admit she was breaking her own bail conditions. Anyone ever heard of this before? Was she scared of Cairney? How strange.
     
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  3. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    I agree - her hair looks like Cairney's in those pictures doesn't it?
     
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  4. mumofboys93

    mumofboys93 Active Member

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    I think she must have been scared of him, he applied for bail and got it. She clearly did not want to be anywhere near him.
    Look at Cairney's demeanour in the video in this article, a snippet of his police interview.
    He is smirking and saying no comment to serious allegations. I think that sums up the type of person he is..

    Carers guilty of murdering missing teenager
     
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  5. mumofboys93

    mumofboys93 Active Member

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    It does resemble his!
    She just looks so flat and in her shell in these pictures. Her whole body is deflated and she is not a happy girl in them.
    Don’t understand how anyone could have not reported this?
    I know hindsight is a great thing, but if I had concerns about a vulnerable person who had their hair shaved, looked down amongst other red flags (duct taped wrists etc) I’m sure I would have said something to someone?
     
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    CoverMeCagney Well-Known Member

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    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, as we know. But you're right - there were plenty of red flags in this case which others should have picked up on - social services, the NHS, the benefits system, neighbours, friends, family and even Margaret's own mother. She was literally wanted by no-one and cared about by no-one. Depressingly tragic, really. Makes you wonder how many other "Margarets" are just forgotten about somewhere.
     
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  7. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    I think her mother said she contacted the police about the visit when she saw Cairney and he assaulted her, and they were supposed to have gone round and Margaret wanted to stay, I think. Can't remember now exactly whether she said it in court or if it was in the media. Anyone remember that?>
     
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  8. Antonia

    Antonia Active Member

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    Yes, it was said in court and reported in this BBC article:
    Woman 'assaulted' by murder accused
    Apparently the police checked and said that Margaret was okay.

    Unfortunately, it's all too easy to imagine that while EC and AJ were telling Margaret's mother that she didn't want to see her, they were telling Margaret that her mother didn't want to see her/no-one wanted her. It's desperately sad that they were able to manipulate the situation so that no-one checked on Margaret properly any more.
     
  9. Laughing

    Laughing Rarely Speechless

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    JMHO, but with the review of all cases of dependent adults mentioned above, I expect that a missed medical appointment will result in a phone call to reschedule, maybe twice; if still no appointment, social worker calls at listed address; no face-to-face with dependent adult, suspension of benefits plus LE goes in, placement evaluated.

    Tearing up that garden within 18 months of Margaret's "disappearance" might have had different results.

    Other than avoiding much of the financial fraud!

    RIP, Margaret!
     
  10. mumofboys93

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    I guess as well that services in Scotland, as well as the UK, are over stretched too. Many services don’t have the means to check on every person who may be avoiding them deliberately or not.
    I would love to think that this case may flag up others, even if it is just someone thinking about another person they haven’t seen or heard from in a while to check up on them.

    It’s such a sad thought that Margaret suffered physically and mentally in her last months of life. She must have felt so scared, sad and hopeless. And there has been no remorse shown for her demise.
    On the other hand, her ‘carers’ seem to have enjoyed spending her money and EC in particular seems to enjoy the fact they got away with this for so long.
     
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