Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #11

[DazN]

The link isn't working Daz. Is it a farm on Hall Lane?

I've fixed the link above

Google Maps link

 

[PremierKissov]

Guagemap is interesting. There is a levels gauge very close to the site.
What piqued my interest is that the levels bob up and down a bit.

If the location of the levels gauge shown here is accurate, then the gauge is on the other side of the weir from where it is assumed NB fell in:

River Wyre at St Michaels: River level and flood alerts

River levels and flood alerts for the River Wyre at St Michaels, Lancashire

riverlevels.uk

I don't know whether the water would be deeper, shallower or the same depth upstream of the weir.

 

[JaneDawn]

"Mr Ansell explained that he and his wife had done the same walk for years. “And you see the same faces every single day, and on the very odd occasion when you see somebody that you know, you, you don’t know, they, they stand out like a sore thumb.” Link

It is interesting how NB’s morning routine is very predictable and if you lived nearby or your kids went to the same school, you would know where she can be found walking most mornings. She also posts photos of her walk on SM. But with such a narrow window of opportunity and with her dog with her, it's very hard to imagine how the event could unfold and that someone could get away with something like this without being noticed. My guess would have to be someone both she and her dog is familiar with. It also suggests someone who is very familiar with the area and who doesn't work typical hours as it occurred after 9am.

Personally I still lean towards something accidental and relating to water though, I wish we knew more about the river flow that morning. I live near a river and they can change dramatically.

Agree dog owner routines are predictable, including locations likely to be, and I say this because I own a dog. In terms of the "window of opportunity", apparently she was spotted at 9.10 and phone found on the bench at 9.35. A lot can happen in 25 minutes. Just think of how people over the years have been abducted off the streets in a flash. They say she was logged on a Teams call, video off and on mute. If she had headphones on, she probably wouldn't have been aware of someone behind her. I can't imagine she'd have fallen into the river and not cried out for help. Also, can't believe she she'd travelled so far and fast, such that she was out of sight when her phone was found. These are just my thoughts....

 

[Mexx]

..."she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields".
Faulding added he had spoken to Nicola’s friends who told him that as far as they knew she rarely walked by the river bank.
He claimed one of them had shown him her Strava app which recorded her walking activity and it showed she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields.

Nicola Bulley may have been abducted or run off with lover, expert says

NICOLA Bulley may have been targeted and taken or could have run off with a lover, an expert involved in the missing person case has claimed. Dive expert Peter Faulding, 60, has been searching the …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[cottonweaver]

I am not ruling out accidental drowning, absolutely not. I just find it incredulous that a normally sedate section of river, at the height of less than metre suddenly and for only about 2 hours turned into a white water rapid log flume to dispose of all the evidence.

So you wouldn't rule our drowning but .....
would rule it out in this case because obviously nobody thinks /has said that this stretch ( before or after the weir where it becomes tidal) was akin to white water rapids or a log flume on 27th Jan

 

[PremierKissov]

..."she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields".
Faulding added he had spoken to Nicola’s friends who told him that as far as they knew she rarely walked by the river bank.
He claimed one of them had shown him her Strava app which recorded her walking activity and it showed she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields.

Nicola Bulley may have been abducted or run off with lover, expert says

NICOLA Bulley may have been targeted and taken or could have run off with a lover, an expert involved in the missing person case has claimed. Dive expert Peter Faulding, 60, has been searching the …

www.thesun.co.uk

This Faulding guy is really starting to wind me up. He was hired as a search and rescuer, so why is he passing himself off as an all-purpose detective? Telling the Sun that she could have "run off with a lover" when he has no evidence whatsoever is bang out of order! Obviously the police must have an open mind about such things (they'd be failing in their job if they didn't) but there's no need for him to be saying that in the press.

 

[ayrshireguy]

..."she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields".
Faulding added he had spoken to Nicola’s friends who told him that as far as they knew she rarely walked by the river bank.
He claimed one of them had shown him her Strava app which recorded her walking activity and it showed she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields.

Nicola Bulley may have been abducted or run off with lover, expert says

NICOLA Bulley may have been targeted and taken or could have run off with a lover, an expert involved in the missing person case has claimed. Dive expert Peter Faulding, 60, has been searching the …

www.thesun.co.uk

NB always took a left from the gate and went around the fields. The only part of the river walk logged on her walking app is the part next to the upper field. NB doesn't appear to walk the steep path that is straight ahead when exiting the gate.

 

[Coach]

Would anyone react to the sound of a dog barking coming from an area used by dog walkers?

Some might walk away in the opposite direction on hearing barking (if they didn’t see a dog in distress but only heard it I mean).

 

[Dan Cooper]

It's always interesting (if slightly depressing) to see where people's minds wander with things like this.

1) As has been stated, there are multiple (many recent) cases of people drowning in rivers and not being found for weeks, if not months.

2) There is no evidence to suggest abduction, murder or any other form of foul play.

3) Why are the people claiming there's no evidence NB fell into the river then jumping to the conclusion that she was abducted (or worse), when there's even less evidence for that?

4) What kind of evidence for drowning are people expecting to find? Some slippery/muddy boot marks along an embankment I could understand, but that's only one way to fall into a river - and especially when a distracting dog is involved - but other than that, what? She was well wrapped-up with the sort of warm, tight-fitting clothing you'd expect for a dog walker on a winter morning; not the sort of clothing that is likely to come lose and end up lodged on a tree branch or the side of a riverbank downstream. We already know where NB's phone was, so that doesn't need to be found.

As it is, instead of going along with the police's original hypothesis and simply waiting for what appears to be the sad realisation that her body will eventually be found (as so many ultimately are in these situations), we're looking for a 'shabby red van' and assuming there's some sort of local murderer doing the rounds. I think it's ridiculous, and I think some people are showing how (negatively) impacted by Netflix they now are.

It's possible to wait and be patient without jumping to all kinds of unsavoury conclusions. I saw Claudia Lawrence's name mentioned earlier, and I do remember that case from the time - I don't think this is that.

I haven't seen PA's TV interview yet but I did read the transcript (thanks for posting it a few pages back); the poor guy and their kids must be going through hell, but at this point I don't think anyone is really under any illusions.

 

[Coach]

I watched the documentary/interview on TV last night. I was surprised that no members of her own family were part of it.

 

[ginnyw]

..."she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields".
Faulding added he had spoken to Nicola’s friends who told him that as far as they knew she rarely walked by the river bank.
He claimed one of them had shown him her Strava app which recorded her walking activity and it showed she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields.

Nicola Bulley may have been abducted or run off with lover, expert says

NICOLA Bulley may have been targeted and taken or could have run off with a lover, an expert involved in the missing person case has claimed. Dive expert Peter Faulding, 60, has been searching the …

www.thesun.co.uk

On her Strava page you can see that she does a number of different walks, not just the one she did that morning. However, they all seem to go fairly close to the river at some point.

 

[cottonweaver]

This Faulding guy is really starting to wind me up. He was hired as a search and rescuer, so why is he passing himself off as an all-purpose detective? Telling the Sun that she could have "run off with a lover" when he has no evidence whatsoever is bang out of order! Obviously the police must have an open mind about such things (they'd be failing in their job if they didn't) but there's no need for him to be saying that in the press.

Just seen it now!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624427042757304321

he also says that he ' remains puzzled that, to his knowledge, the search hasn’t been extended to the surrounding fields where Nicola was last seen.'

Sally Riley literally explained at the last press conference they'd already done a 1mile radius land search from the bench spot and that every day six officers were also on land, trudging, searching

 

[LaLaLadot]

..."she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields".
Faulding added he had spoken to Nicola’s friends who told him that as far as they knew she rarely walked by the river bank.
He claimed one of them had shown him her Strava app which recorded her walking activity and it showed she didn’t walk by the river but in the fields.

Nicola Bulley may have been abducted or run off with lover, expert says

NICOLA Bulley may have been targeted and taken or could have run off with a lover, an expert involved in the missing person case has claimed. Dive expert Peter Faulding, 60, has been searching the …

www.thesun.co.uk

This makes sense. I read elsewhere that NB had stopped taking a ball on their walks. Also, in the winter, she might have avoided the river bank so Willow didn't get in and wet on a busy work day walk. A walk around the edge of a field would give Willow a sniffy walk which is less OTT. Plus if NB was on a walk call, as a dog owner, I've done this myself where in a more enclosed controllable environment I'm able to take phone calls or in NB's case the Team call. I have a dog that I don't walk on the beach if I was in a rush because she would always run off and find a fish and it was ages.

 

[LaLaLadot]

In the Channel 5 interview last night Paul Ansell stated he had called NB phone and WhatsApp. He'd received a call from school at 10.45. And then he'd called the police (999) from the car on the way to the river. In the summing up from the show the host laid out the timeline and he stated 10.45 call from school and 11.00 call to Police.

So is this 15 minutes between the school calling PA and him calling police in the car? Does this seem a long time?
I thought the river was 10 mins from their home?

 

[Mr X]

If the location of the levels gauge shown here is accurate, then the gauge is on the other side of the weir from where it is assumed NB fell in:

River Wyre at St Michaels: River level and flood alerts

River levels and flood alerts for the River Wyre at St Michaels, Lancashire

riverlevels.uk

I don't know whether the water would be deeper, shallower or the same depth upstream of the weir.

It does seem to be below the Weir yes.

This makes the statement from the PF bloke even more interesting IMO.

I don't read any nuispapers myself but he says it was "about a foot higher" on the day she disappeared. Maybe he was going by the gauge which was below the Weir ? If so then ... IMO.

Video proof missing Nicola Bulley is not in river diving expert says

Dive expert Peter Faulding says the clip of the River Wyre showing it to be slow-moving, meaning Nicola Bulley' body would have sunk “very quickly” and remained nearby

www.mirror.co.uk

Why was it that much higher and where does the data come from ? That is quite a lot of level change. Presumably it was flood water in which case the river would act completely differently. A foot is quite a lot of extra water in such a small river.

IMO they have not searched the immediate area rigourously enough. There is some deep water there which needs looking in again and again. And again.

JMO and no I am not a professional but IMO the MP slipped in and drowned and body is in the local area.

 

[LastSeenWearing]

I watched the documentary/interview on TV last night. I was surprised that no members of her own family were part of it.

There doesn't seem to have been anything from her mum, dad or sister since their first television appearance when her dad said that she was upbeat after completing the mortgage. It's her friends who have been interviewed. There has been nothing more from her own family

 

[Dan Cooper]

Just seen it now!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624427042757304321

Run off with a lover? What, and have her parents, sister, husband and kids all think she's dead? Unbelievable.

 

[Davieson]

Agree dog owner routines are predictable, including locations likely to be, and I say this because I own a dog. In terms of the "window of opportunity", apparently she was spotted at 9.10 and phone found on the bench at 9.35. A lot can happen in 25 minutes. Just think of how people over the years have been abducted off the streets in a flash. They say she was logged on a Teams call, video off and on mute. If she had headphones on, she probably wouldn't have been aware of someone behind her. I can't imagine she'd have fallen into the river and not cried out for help. Also, can't believe she she'd travelled so far and fast, such that she was out of sight when her phone was found. These are just my thoughts....

Yes, but this wasn't an abduction of the streets where a victim can be quickly bundled into a vehicle and driven away
This was in the middle of field frequented by walkers and some considerable distance away from a suitable road.

 

[Fishwick]

Run off with a lover? What, and have her parents, sister, husband and kids all think she's dead? Unbelievable.

He talks pure garbage constantly. Wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t actually know how to operate sonar.

 

[jk1874]

Run off with a lover? What, and have her parents, sister, husband and kids all think she's dead? Unbelievable.

Yes, there's other ways of running off with lovers, this is not the way! Unbelievable and totally lacking sensitivity!