Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

[Nancy Drew 21]

I'd been assuming that when the gate near the bench is mentioned it is the kissing gate behind the bench. <modsnip> I now realise there is a second metal gate a little to the left of the bench (as you look out to the river) that leads directly to the caravan site.

I had thought that when the police said that Willow was found between the bench and the gate, it was the gate directly behind the fence to the exit path, but it's not clear to me now which gate they were referring to. JMO MOO.

Picture from google maps

 

[jackal67]

I thought the phone was found on the floor?

"It's understood the mum's mobile phone was found on the ground next to a bench overlooking the water."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/friend-says-missing-nicola-bulley-261

the latest police press conference will give you all the answers to these questions. It is at the start of this thread

 

[dharmasarc]

They’re just desperate and want closure.

The family and police are not completely aligned in this investigation.

It came after an earlier statement in which he said police had turned down his offer of assistance, saying: ' Following my public message to Lancashire Police offering the services of the SGI underwater search team and our vast range of specialist equipment free of charge to assist in the search for Nicola Bulley, I was subsequently contacted directly by the grieving family pleading for a way to make this happen.

 

[jackal67]

I thought the phone was found on the floor?

"It's understood the mum's mobile phone was found on the ground next to a bench overlooking the water."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/friend-says-missing-nicola-bulley-261

the latest police press conference will give you all the answers to these questions. It is at the start of this thread

 

[martinwatts5]

I thought the phone was found on the floor?

"It's understood the mum's mobile phone was found on the ground next to a bench overlooking the water."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/friend-says-missing-nicola-bulley-261

IMO if the phone was found on the floor it makes the situation difficult to explain unless the dog knocked it to the floor.

 

[Tanzanite]

I think at this stage it's pointless spending time debating whether her coat was ankle or knee length or otherwise. It does nothing to aid finding her at this point. Imo

Well yes, but it IS a factor in possibly how NB entered the water (if that's what happened) and why she might have been seriously hampered in getting out.

I think it's not ideal for LE. They now might be compelled to explain the discrepancy in the image and the information they gave out. Many people on this thread have commented that this image is not what they pictured from the police description. One can assume that translates to the wider world. When LE are appealing for leads and witnesses, I don't think we can write that off as a wholly irrelevant factor.

Of course, nothing that anyone says here changes what has actually happened to NB, whether it's clothing, dogs or whatever.

 

[JeremyBentham]

What does the sun think the other divers were, if not specialists?

I really hope this new crew are able to find something, however considering Lancs police have said they've already done side scanning sonar, I'm just not sure what else this new crew offer that the others didn't? Maybe someone could explain?

I listened to the lead on this and he said their equipment is of higher spec, but requires highly trained operators to get the results, which there are very few of. He said they could see every stick or stone on the river bed.

 

[PeggyHenry]

With the police publicly showing their intention to use technology to find her whereabouts from the Fitbit watch.. ( which I would’ve thought was the first thing they’d do) alongside stating their belief she is in the river.. are they being clever in trying to squeeze the perpetrator to visit ?

Can’t help but feel the police are trying to manipulate any perpetrator. If I were the police I would think ‘if she’s in the river we can’t do anything except get the search for her body in process. But if she was taken, we need to play our cards carefully and look as if our belief is that she is in the river. So that we can watch our prime suspects very carefully whilst not revealing them,

Im positive this is why they’ve tried do hard to push the river accident theory. To put any perpetrator into a more relaxed frame of mind.

 

[jackal67]

IMO if the phone was found on the floor it makes the situation difficult to explain unless the dog knocked it to the floor.

It wasn't on the floor. LE have Stated in their press conference that it was on the bench.

 

[tree1]

I do think the inaccurate description of the length of the gilet is unfortunate. So if someone said someone was wearing an ankle length skirt, I imagine a full length, maxi type skirt as opposed to a knee length skirt. It conjures up a very different image in my head. Given that her clothing was dark and quite unremarkable, as opposed to , for example, a red or yellow coat, I think it is a shame the description was misleading. JMO

 

[JeremyBentham]

IMO if the phone was found on the floor it makes the situation difficult to explain unless the dog knocked it to the floor.

Maybe I’ve not read up properly, but I always had it my mind that the phone was on the bench. Coupled with the ankle length gilet made the theory of tripping and being more restricted in the water far more plausible for an accident. Still could be, but this makes me question things more.

With the phone on the floor, well that confuses me. Unless the dog knocked it off, as you said. To drop the phone at the top of the bank adds another dimension.

EDIT: Just seen above. Phone confirmed on bench.

 

[PandaMarch]

I listened to the lead on this and he said their equipment is of higher spec, but requires highly trained operators to get the results, which there are very few of. He said they could see every stick or stone on the river bed.

Exactly. I really hope this gives the family some answers

 

[3point5]

I listened to the lead on this and he said their equipment is of higher spec, but requires highly trained operators to get the results, which there are very few of. He said they could see every stick or stone on the river bed.

Will be interesting to hear what equipment they have that the current sonar equipped divers don't have.

I hope for the families sake he can live up to his claims.

 

[tree1]

IMO people have been discussing this because a longer length garment is more likely to make somebody trip.

Also maybe someone saw a female and afterwards discounted it as description didn’t fit? Unlikely but possible

 

[JeremyBentham]

Will be interesting to hear what equipment they have that the current sonar equipped divers don't have.

I hope for the families sake he can live up to his claims.

I believe it to very similar to what they already have. Theirs however operates at a higher frequency and with the specialist operators for this specific type of unit it can yield far better results

 

[Stew2111]

Now I have seen there is a gate behind bench to caravan park. Is this where the dog was found? There is a smaller gate at the bench leading along the normal pathway. Both gates within 100 yards or so of each other. CCTV at caravan park would have been crucial <modsnip - no link>

 

[Mr applebee]

With the police publicly showing their intention to use technology to find her whereabouts from the Fitbit watch.. ( which I would’ve thought was the first thing they’d do) alongside stating their belief she is in the river.. are they being clever in trying to squeeze the perpetrator to visit ?

Can’t help but feel the police are trying to manipulate any perpetrator. If I were the police I would think ‘if she’s in the river we can’t do anything except get the search for her body in process. But if she was taken, we need to play our cards carefully and look as if our belief is that she is in the river. So that we can watch our prime suspects very carefully whilst not revealing them,

Im positive this is why they’ve tried do hard to push the river accident theory. To put any perpetrator into a more relaxed frame of mind.

I was thinking the exact same thing earlier. I was thinking more with the idea in mind that they think she has been kidnapped and they don’t want the perp to go into panic mode

 

[JKLondon]

I think at this stage it's pointless spending time debating whether her coat was ankle or knee length or otherwise. It does nothing to aid finding her at this point. Imo

Correct

 

[martinwatts5]

It wasn't on the floor. LE have Stated in their press conference that it was on the bench.

Apologies for causing any confusion, I was responding to somebody who thought the phone was found on the ground.

 

[cottonweaver]

I believe it to very similar to what they already have. Theirs however operates at a higher frequency and with the specialist operators for this specific type of unit it can yield far better results

and he said that it could be completed in a day with his equipment.