Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #9

[kittythehare]

I haven't accused the police of being remotely remiss.
I trust the police - they've put tremendous resources into this.
The timings are objectively unsure - it's not about the police not getting it right, but rather having to rely on possibly inaccurate witness statements when everyone who lives near Nicola must be out of their minds with worry.

We read a few pieces a few journalists threw out.
That is not the same as a police interview.
The police are taking a really unfair bashing because of media bias and their 'rent-an-expert-for-kliks'.
None of the 'experts' have a good word to say for the police.
I see an agenda her and I see it clearly..
I just automatically tune out when I hear former or ex be it Scotland Yard of the FBI or the CIA being hauled in to lacerate a working police force and I remind myself they are 'ex' for a reason.
They wouldn't have spent too long at the Farm, for example// whatever.
I do not accept that police are limited to an approximate time to extract accurate information from even a confused or befuddled witness.
This is their work.
It's what they do.
There are ways around extricating a time from someone who does not wear a watch or know what day it is, people like me, for example.

 

[todders]

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Also, we can say that she did not return from the fields along Allotment Lane or via the path at the rear of the Grapes pub onto Garstang Road.

Lancashire Constabulary - Missing Nicola Bulley - latest update

 

[tree1]

I remember in a previous thread, there was talk about why PA went straight to search a house and people were asking why, also links in with why it was classified as high risk case? Is it possible he got a text from NB or a call that hasn’t been disclosed? Also thinking about the comments from the police about sensitive back story to the case.

 

[Leannaf2721]

In retrospect it seems odd. She might just have been in a rush, thought owner was off somewhere else chatting etc and just thought another bloody dog loose, I don't have time to deal with this now, I'll get X to check if it's still here in a bit. Not everyone has a mobile to take details on with them, or it might have been a situation that has happened to her before, with the owner appearing a few mins later looking for dog who had dashed off.

But would you not check on your way home that it was still there? Or ask someone else. Why would later mention it and why would the daughter in law not check? If you were not concerned enough to call instantly why would you not recheck

 

[shadwell]

I’m particularly interested in the alleged meeting between NB and her boss the evening before her disappearance. It may be that I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen/heard anything about the reason for it. If it was an in-person meeting rather than a virtual one, I wonder if it was to deliver particularly significant news of some kind. Does anyone know more?

No - afaik we’ve heard nothing from work colleagues or her boss/employer.

 

[JennieM]

Has Cartford Inn being mentioned in the press at all today?

 

[poirotoupierrot]

Looking at the timings, the route Nicola took from Garstang Road - the only place she could have been approached from without seeing the person which also has residences and road access is Garstang Road, where the trees are. The upper field seems an impossible place to have been abducted, so I think it's a red herring. The timing's wrong and the person who saw her has got it wrong in earnest, or something else.

If an attack happened, it was likely nearer to the woods and by placing her in the upper field later it throws all that. Which suggests to me it's either someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, or someone who has an interest in throwing off the investigation. The phone being on the bench is completely irrelevant to me now. I reckon it was put there by someone trying to imply Nicola drowning, when in fact I think something else happened.

Actually the 9:10 doesn't necessarily throw off the timing of her path. She could have doubled back. I'm just not convinced she necessarily made it to the bench. In fact, what people have said about dog behaviour is interesting. What if someone removed the dog's harness and set it free, then realised it needed to be tied to the bench to stop it from going towards her exit-point? If that gate was that? I'm not trying to imply anything here. It could have been tied up and got free, and that's how the harness came off - then someone tied it up again - just maybe in a different place to where it was waiting before, and they didn't know?

 

[poirotoupierrot]

Looking at the timings, the route Nicola took from Garstang Road - the only place she could have been approached from without seeing the person which also has residences and road access is Garstang Road, where the trees are. The upper field seems an impossible place to have been abducted, so I think it's a red herring. The timing's wrong and the person who saw her has got it wrong in earnest, or something else.

If an attack happened, it was likely nearer to the woods and by placing her in the upper field later it throws all that. Which suggests to me it's either someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, or someone who has an interest in throwing off the investigation. The phone being on the bench is completely irrelevant to me now. I reckon it was put there by someone trying to imply Nicola drowning, when in fact I think something else happened.

Actually the 9:10 doesn't necessarily throw off the timing of her path. She could have doubled back. I'm just not convinced she necessarily made it to the bench. In fact, what people have said about dog behaviour is interesting. What if someone removed the dog's harness and set it free, then realised it needed to be tied to the bench to stop it from going towards her exit-point? If that gate was that? I'm not trying to imply anything here. It could have been tied up and got free, and that's how the harness came off - then someone tied it up again - just maybe in a different place to where it was waiting before, and they didn't know?

 

[Davieson]

We read a few pieces a few journalists threw out.
That is not the same as a police interview.
The police are taking a really unfair bashing because of media bias and their 'rent-an-expert-for-kliks'.
None of the 'experts' have a good word to say for the police.
I see an agenda her and I see it clearly..
I just automatically tune out when I hear former or ex be it Scotland Yard of the FBI or the CIA being hauled in to lacerate a working police force and I remind myself they are 'ex' for a reason.
They wouldn't have spent too long at the Farm, for example// whatever.
I do not accept that police are limited to an approximate time to extract accurate information from even a confused or befuddled witness.
This is their work.
It's what they do.
There are ways around extricating a time from someone who does not wear a watch or know what day it is, people like me, for example.

Lancashire police are also being overseen by the NCA, though I cannot imagine why, so I'm sure they are doing everything by the book.

Some people watch too many TV crime programs and think that's how it is in reality

 

[russeverton]

Hmm this case is odd, initially I thought she was in the river like most on here but the expert seems to be sure she isn't and he knows more than us. There is the slight possibility she entered at a different location and there was more of a current that day or has since moved downstream but presence of the weir does sort of make that hard to imagine.

I was thinking of another hypothesis of events that morning (pure speculation obviously)

1. NB is sitting on the bench listening in to the work related meeting on her phone while the dog is running around in the fields which NB watches
2. Someone takes issue with the loose dog near the lake by the caravan park
3. NB runs over to diffuse the situation, leaving her phone and the harness on the bench
4. During an altercation, NB ends up in the lake of the caravan park, or further upstream near the last apparent sighting

I'm not sure if the lake near the caravan park was searched yet but I guess this fits with the evidence we have in some respects. I wonder is the caravan park open at all at this time of the year.

Exactly what I said from day 1. They should of searched where she was last seen not the bench which she may not of even been at. And that small pond would be ideal to put a body then stage the phone and harness as if she has gone in the much larger river. <modsnip: rumors/no source link for info>

 

[Anxala]

Yeah, it's a real shame her name was leaked IMO because it must be stressful having people speculate based on very few actions and words. I always wonder if stuff like this would put people off coming forward as witnesses in the future, after all thats what she is, and not a suspect.

And it's not even just that, it's all the ridiculously judgemental and demanding 'Why did she not do this, that or the other??' bombast on here and elsewhere, as if she was somehow supposed to know that what she came across on her minding her own business morning walk (with apparently 'deeply suspicious' string in her pocket) was something that demanded an immediate 999 call.

It's so easy to be condescendingly and judgementally wise after the event.

 

[russeverton]

Hmm this case is odd, initially I thought she was in the river like most on here but the expert seems to be sure she isn't and he knows more than us. There is the slight possibility she entered at a different location and there was more of a current that day or has since moved downstream but presence of the weir does sort of make that hard to imagine.

I was thinking of another hypothesis of events that morning (pure speculation obviously)

1. NB is sitting on the bench listening in to the work related meeting on her phone while the dog is running around in the fields which NB watches
2. Someone takes issue with the loose dog near the lake by the caravan park
3. NB runs over to diffuse the situation, leaving her phone and the harness on the bench
4. During an altercation, NB ends up in the lake of the caravan park, or further upstream near the last apparent sighting

I'm not sure if the lake near the caravan park was searched yet but I guess this fits with the evidence we have in some respects. I wonder is the caravan park open at all at this time of the year.

Exactly what I said from day 1. They should of searched where she was last seen not the bench which she may not of even been at. And that small pond would be ideal to put a body then stage the phone and harness as if she has gone in the much larger river. <modsnip: rumors>

 

[Deleted member 320164]

Could someone clarify on here - does it turn out that the “friend” who saw her in the upper field was a 70 year old man? Whose wife spoke to the press?

 

[kittythehare]

Lancashire police are also being overseen by the NCA, though I cannot imagine why, so I'm sure they are doing everything by the book.

Some people watch too many TV crime programs and think that's how it is in reality

They invited the NCA themselves.
Honourable of them.
I see nothing but the height of integrity in them, they are doing everything right and everything by the book and leaving no stone unturned.
If every police force in the world was even a quarter as professional we would live in a different world.

 

[cottonweaver]

We read a few pieces a few journalists threw out.
That is not the same as a police interview.
The police are taking a really unfair bashing because of media bias and their 'rent-an-expert-for-kliks'.
None of the 'experts' have a good word to say for the police.
I see an agenda her and I see it clearly..
I just automatically tune out when I hear former or ex be it Scotland Yard of the FBI or the CIA being hauled in to lacerate a working police force and I remind myself they are 'ex' for a reason.
They wouldn't have spent too long at the Farm, for example// whatever.
I do not accept that police are limited to an approximate time to extract accurate information from even a confused or befuddled witness.
This is their work.
It's what they do.
There are ways around extricating a time from someone who does not wear a watch or know what day it is, people like me, for example.

it's 'The Expert' stuff that irritates too

LE have more than one 'expert' on their team. Superintendent has listed, every presser, the names of every specialist team who are working the 'water' searches. She also mentioned the expert river ' authorities' ( Academics, acknowledged experts in their field) All ' experts' aren't equal.

If there's only one expert we want to acknowledge then the police divers, HM Coastguard, RNLI, Lancs Fire & Rescue and every other individual searching down and around that estuary right now might as well pack up & go home, cuz 1 expert says X, Y, Z is not possible.
Fingers crossed that these staff are not reading/watching the stuff I'm seeing on TV/tabloids - I'd be well p'd off. ( Demoralised)

 

[Sillybilly]

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[msmarple99]

But would you not check on your way home that it was still there? Or ask someone else. Why would later mention it and why would the daughter in law not check? If you were not concerned enough to call instantly why would you not recheck

This has seemed odd to me from when it first came out

 

[Firstsnow4]

Oh dear

Dive expert says Nicola Bulley is NOT in the River Wyre

Paul Ansell, 44, yesterday visited the scene where the mother-of-two is believed to have vanished while walking her dog by the River Wyre on January 27.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The thing is you have police saying stop speculating because it’s hurtful to family and friends yet friends are forcing the issue with some things which leads to the speculation. It’s like a vicious circle! IMO.

 

[CustardTart]

RSBM

1. Search warrant required (unless permission given)

2. Do you think the owner would not notice if NB was in the house for days on end?

I’m interested in your assumption that the owner of this “abandoned “ house would notice anything, if in fact it is actually abandoned. We don’t know if this person has returned after their apparently cursory initial look around.

 

[Awaywego]

And it's not even just that, it's all the ridiculously judgemental and demanding 'Why did she not do this, that or the other??' bombast on here and elsewhere, as if she was somehow supposed to know that what she came across on her minding her own business morning walk (with apparently deeply suspicious string in her pocket) was something that demanded an immediate 999 call.

It's so easy to be condescendingly and judgementally wise after the event.

Totally agree. It's so easy after the event in the context of someone now being a missing person to question things but we all make judgements every day in the context of busy lives, full of other priorities not overthinking our decisions and so they will always seem like imperfect decisions to other people.