Hi Gemmie Joyce was my mom. Thank you for remembering her and sharing this. While my mom's death was ruled as an accidental drowning, the circumstances surrounding her death point to suicide. She had cancer that was never treated or identified, and had become very ill in her last few months of life. Thank you again for keeping her memory alive. -KatieSnipped for focus.
Unfortunately accidental drownings happen, even with young, healthy, and experienced swimmers. One of our own passed back in 2007. Joyce Harrison, AKA WS mod Tybee, as a lot of WS old-timers will remember her as, accidentally passed while swimming and she was an experienced swimmer, 47 yrs young.
And Tybee was dressing for swimming, Nicola was not. It's very possible it was accidental drowning with Nicola. My other thought is murder. While I could be wrong, suicide is the furthest from my mind with Nicola and isn't even on the table (for me).
Good news.Lancashire Police will not face any action over its handling of the disappearance of Nicola Bulley after investigations by two watchdogs.
The Information Commissioner's Office has announced it will not be taking any enforcement action against the force over its disclosure of her personal information.
Meanwhile, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has cleared the Lancashire force of any wrongdoing.
It did identify two "areas for learning".
The 45-year-old mother was reported missing on 27 January in St Michael's on Wyre and her body was found three weeks later in the River Wyre.news.sky.com
IMO, there is no proof that Nicola had significant issues with alcohol consumption around the time she went missing, this is simply anecdotal, and was stated as such by her "family" as far as what is stated in MSM.
Therefore, there is no proof that she had significant alcohol issues -- no documentation from her doctor or friends or colleagues or the barmaid at the local witnessing it or anyone but ubiquitous "family" saying this -- nor that the call a few weeks before that involved a visit to her house had anything to do with her alcohol consumption.
It's simply anecdotal on its own, IMO, and a very flimsy basis for this ever "making it into the news", so I think that's regrettable because as far as we know, LE had no proof of it other than what distressed family members may have opined.
I wasn't implying in my previous post that her alcohol struggles were just a rumor, and never have faulted LE for repeating what her family told them, that was understood and their reasons were good in their estimat
I was just saying it is not proven, and so is anecdotal, that her alcohol issues were a problem in her day to day life, and further, they could have been exaggerated or taken out of context.
Thanks for sharing the scope of the inquest based on your experience. I don't need or want any proof, and did not imply anything further needs to be revealed. I thought it worth pointing out Nicola's alcohol issues were anecdotal, before the inquest. JMOWhat form of proof would satisfy you?
Do you think Doctors should release medical records to the press? Police should release witness statements of people who sold alcohol to Ms Bulley?
Having experienced the inquest of someone close, I know the Coroner will have had extensive contact with the GP and any other medical professionals treating Ms Bulley to find out if there were any mental or physical indicators of any factors which might have led to her drowning.
If LE thought it was relevant they'd have interviewed any local alcohol outlets and checked any purchase history on her cards.
Why do you think this information should be made public before the inquest?
that friend also claimed the big house hadnt been searched and it had..numerous times.IMO, Nicola's "struggles" with alcohol, if they were recurring at the time she disappeared -- there is no proof of this or how she was doing that week or that Friday in particular -- appear to smack of fitting someone's "narrative" of forces at work that drove her to disappear, and have nothing to do with what happened to her that morning.
She was by all counts highly functional in her role as a mom and in her profession. She was working late the night before, she brought her children to school that morning, and then went to work right away participating in the work call.
It really is a stretch, IMO, to presume or wonder if she would be drinking alcohol in the morning while working and walking her dog.
There are no indications what her "struggles" equated to and what her family meant by "significant" issues with alcohol -- it could have been anything from having one or more drinks than usual every night to overdoing it at the weekend or when she went out -- nor that she was a day drinker.
IMO, it's very unfortunate, if true, the CCTV was coincidentally not working near her house that morning, which might have given a glimpse of her appearance and how she was functioning, and quashed some of the speculation about her status that morning:
"Nicola's friend also claims that a CCTV camera which would have captured some of her last known movements wasn't working."
He has a point to be honest. Social media has been horrific in this case.
Nicola Bulley: Calls for TikTok scrutiny after police searchA police boss has said he wants to understand more about how social media conspiracy theories took hold in the search for missing Nicola Bulley.
He said posts on TikTok in particular had attempted to discredit "bungling, incompetent" officers - while amateur detectives claimed they knew better.
Mr Snowden told the Local Democracy Reporting Service: "TikTok in particular saw online amateur detectives pushing conspiracy theories out, which resulted in vile abuse towards Nicola's family and friends.
"How did that get so out of hand?"
Mr Snowden added that a policing investigation which "was sadly correct in its hypothesis all the way along" became such a story "about 'bungling, incompetent cops".
Lancashire Police were convinced Ms Bulley had fallen in the river despite extensive searches failing to find her for more than three weeks.
This sparked conspiracy theories and speculation over her private life.
I think he made the situation far far worse than it should have been personallyPeter Faulding, the forensic dive expert who visited the River Wyre during the search for missing mum Nicola Bulley, has revealed he was trolled online over his effortswww.dailystar.co.uk
I think he made the situation far far worse than it should have been personally