UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #24

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Marantz4250b said:
I don't really get the significance of this; if you search someone on FB and don't get the name exactly right it'll give you suggestions. As soon as you click on a suggestion to view the profile it records that profile in your search history, correct name and all.

You don't need to type the name correctly in order for it to be on your search history.
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It was actually for me personally one of the biggest points of the day and the most memorable. The reason I say that is because he had crafted this situation which gave the impression she couldn't spell the name now but she was able to search for her first name correctly on facebook
(It was a very complex first name)

Mr Johnson then went on to reveal (from memory) That SEVEN handover sheets found in her property were related to this baby.

The way that exchange happened it created a real visual in my mind of Letby using her handover sheets to look up this parent.

It sounds silly but the way Mr Johnson crafted that exchange was almost like art !
 
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These were her Facebook searches in groups, that we know of -

25 Jun 2015 – 9.50pm – mum of A&B
25 Jun 2015 – 9.51pm – mum of Baby D


21 Sep 2015 – parents Baby G
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later mother of E&F
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later another mother


5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.16am – mother of Baby I
5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.17am – father of E&F
5 Oct 2015 – 1.18am - mother of H

5 Nov 2015 – 11.41pm - mother E&F
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – mother of G
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – mother of I
 
CS2C said:
It was actually for me personally one of the biggest points of the day and the most memorable. The reason I say that is because he had crafted this situation which gave the impression she couldn't spell the name now but she was able to search for her first name correctly on facebook.

Mr Johnson then went on to reveal (from memory) That SEVEN handover sheets found in her property were related to this baby.

The way that exchange happened it created a real visual in my mind of Letby using her handover sheets to look up this parent.

It sounds silly but the way Mr Johnson crafted that exchange was almost like art !
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I think he is a master of his craft!
 
Legal said:
Hi all! I also attended yesterday. CS2C we probably saw each other! It was very interesting. I'll let CS2C write their opinions first but I did stay for the afternoon as I live a lot closer, so I'll mention a few of my thoughts on that. It felt to me IMO that Myers just wanted to do a very quick rebuttal and get her off the stand. He also seemed to lead her with her answers. For example, he asked her why she would remember some babies and not others and she said it depended how much care you gave them, if you were their allocated nurse etc. He then asked if they all spent the same amount of time on the ward. She said no, some are there for a matter of hours, others 6 months. So he was suggesting answers IMO and leading her the whole way through. I felt she was very robotic, emotionless, expressionless, speaking from a place of logic rather than from the heart, trying to think of a way to answer the questions, rather than speaking from a position of truth. However, in fairness that could be due to having been imprisoned for 3 years and the whole situation so probably isn't a reflection on guilt/innocence.

I felt he really belaboured showing the pictures of her socialising. NJ had said she was out on the razz, drinking fizz and at the races (such old-fashioned, posh expressions hehe, IMO, like being sweet on someone and a leisure suit ) so Myers showed pictures of her with her family, on days out etc I think to paint the picture she wasn't out getting drunk the whole time. Personally, I feel it missed the point the prosecution was trying to make regarding her mental state and feeling isolated.

Not sure how much I can say about the rest of the defence's case as I can't remember what was said with the jury out of the room but there was uncertainty as to whether Wednesday would have other witnesses or would be the judge summing up and then closing statements. The court is open to the public on Tuesday but no jury, from what I can remember.

Anyway I'm interested to hear CS2C's views. I totally agree with the snapping response they mentioned, though I'd forgotten which question it was a response to, so well remembered!
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Thank you for sharing this, lots of interesting points!
 
This is the one. Child I was allegedly in the neonatal unit at the time of this search. She had been allegedly attacked but didn't die till the 23rd October.

5 October 2015

At 01:16 Letby searched for mother of Child I.

At 01:17 Letby searched for father of Children E and F.

"What did they have in common?" Mr Johnson asks.

"Again they are babies that had something significant happen to them and they were on my mind," Letby says.

"You were checking up on your victims, weren't you?"

"No."

He later says: "You were a killer who was looking at your victims."

"No," she replies.

 
Legal said:
This is the one. Child I was allegedly in the neonatal unit at the time of this search. She had been attacked but didn't die till the 23rd October.

5 October 2015

At 01:16 Letby searched for mother of Child I.

At 01:17 Letby searched for father of Children E and F.

"What did they have in common?" Mr Johnson asks.

"Again they are babies that had something significant happen to them and they were on my mind," Letby says.

"You were checking up on your victims, weren't you?"

"No."

He later says: "You were a killer who was looking at your victims."

"No," she replies.

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So not only had baby I not died at that time, but she also searched baby H in that same set of searches, and she survived.
 
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These were her Facebook searches in groups, that we know of -

25 Jun 2015 – 9.50pm – mum of A&B
25 Jun 2015 – 9.51pm – mum of Baby D


21 Sep 2015 – parents Baby G
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later mother of E&F
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later another mother


5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.16am – mother of Baby I
5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.17am – father of E&F
5 Oct 2015 – 1.18am - mother of H

5 Nov 2015 – 11.41pm - mother E&F
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – mother of G
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – mother of I
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Thanks for this ..do you have a spreadsheet already to post with the list of babies deaths ? I only ask as I know you have lots of grouped info ?
 
Also, when NJ was asking LL about how she felt when she was told not to come in on the nightshift, she said upset. He was trying to get her to say she was having a meltdown, the implication being only someone guilty of something serious would have such a reaction. She kept trying to minimise it, saying she was just upset and worried. Then he showed her the message she sent to the doctor saying meltdown ++. She then said ok it was a dramatic meltdown. A moment later he asked her why it was dramatic and she said who mentioned dramatic? Nobody said anything about dramatic. NJ said - you did, about 20 seconds ago!!!
 
schedule - I haven't revisited this for a little while so there may be some info missing that we now know, like room no.


8 Jun 2015 - Twin Baby A - murder charge - boy - night – room 1 - designated nurse
9 Jun 2015 – 9.58am - FACEBOOK mother of A&B
10 Jun 2015 - Twin Baby B - attempted murder charge – girl - night – room 1 – Anon 5 mentor designated nurse – LL room 3
10 Jun 2015 – 11.31pm - FACEBOOK mother of A&B
14 Jun 2015 - Baby C - murder charge – boy - night – room 1 – Sophie Ellis designated nurse – LL room 3
14 Jun 2015 – 3.32pm - FACEBOOK parents Baby C
22 Jun 2015 - Baby D - murder charge - girl- night – room 1 – Caroline Oakley designated nurse – LL room 1
25 Jun 2015 – 9.50pm – FACEBOOK mum of A&B
25 Jun 2015 – 9.51pm – FACEBOOK mum of Baby D

abt 8 Jul 2015 – Baby B went home.

4 Aug 2015 - Twin Baby E - murder charge - boy - night – room 1 - designated nurse
5 Aug 2015 - Twin Baby F - attempted murder charge - boy - night – room 2 – Anon 5 mentor designated nurse – LL room 2
6 Aug 2015 – 7.58pm - FACEBOOK mother of E&F
10 Aug 2015 – F went home.
23 Aug 2015 – FACEBOOK mother of E&F

2 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK mum of A&B
3 Sep 2015 – LL’s first night shift since 5th Aug
7 Sep 2015 - Baby G - attempted murder charge – girl - night – room 2 - not designated nurse – LL room 1
9 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK – parents of A&B
14 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK mother E&F
19 Sep 2015 – LL asks her colleague how A&B’s parents are. She doesn’t search them again after this.
21 Sep 2015 - Baby G - 2 x attempted murder charges - day - designated nurse
21 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK parents Baby G
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later FACEBOOK mother of E&F
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later FACEBOOK another mother
26 Sep 2015 - Baby H - attempted murder charge - girl - night – room 1 - designated nurse
27 Sep 2015 - Baby H - attempted murder charge - night – room 1 – Shelley Tomlins designated nurse – LL room 2
30 Sep 2015 - Baby I - alleged attempted murder (chgd w/murder) - girl - day – room 3 - designated nurse

3 Oct 2015 – FACEBOOK father of Baby D
5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.16am – FACEBOOK mother of Baby I
5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.17am – FACEBOOK father of E&F
5 Oct 2015 – 1.18am - FACEBOOK mother of H
13 Oct 2015 - Baby I - alleged attempt murder(chgd w/murder)- night – rm 2 – Ashleigh Hudson designated nurse – LL rm 1
14 Oct 2015 - Baby I - alleged attempted murder (chgd w/murder) - (next) night – room? - designated nurse
23 Oct 2015 - Baby I - murder charge - (same) night – room 1 – Ashleigh Hudson designated nurse – LL room 3

5 Nov 2015 – 11.41pm - FACEBOOK – mother E&F
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – FACEBOOK – mother of G
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – FACEBOOK – mother of I
27 Nov 2015 - Baby J - attempt murder – girl – moved rm 4 to rm 2 - night – Nicola Dennison designated nurse – LL rm 3
Nov 2015 – FACEBOOK – parents Baby J

7 Dec 2015 – FACEBOOK – mother of E&F
25 Dec 2015 – 11.26pm - FACEBOOK – mother of E&F

Jan 2016 – FACEBOOK – mother of E&F
10 Jan 2016 – (last time) FACEBOOK – mother of E&F

17 Feb 2016 - Baby K - attempted murder charge - girl - night – room 1 – Joanne Williams designated nurse – LL room ?

9 Apr 2016 - Twin Baby L - attempted murder charge – boy - day – room 1 – Mary Griffith designated nurse – LL room 1
9 Apr 2016 - Twin Baby M - attempted murder chg – boy - (same) day – room 1 – Mary Griffith designated nurse – LL rm 1

29 May 2016 – 11pm – FACEBOOK – mother of I

3 Jun 2016 - Baby N - attempted murder charge – boy - night – room ? – Christopher Booth designated nurse – LL room 4
15 Jun 2016 - Baby N - 2 x attempted murder charges - day – room 3 - designated nurse
23 Jun 2016 - Triplet Baby O - murder charge - boy - day – room 2 - designated nurse - also supervising a student nurse
24 Jun 2016 - Triplet Baby P - murder charge – boy - day – room 2 - designated nurse
25 Jun 2016 - Baby Q - attempted murder charge - boy - day – room 2- designated nurse

Jul 2016 – LL removed from clinical setting

23 Jun 2017 – anniversary of Baby O’s death – FACEBOOK – Surname of Baby O

Apr 2018 – FACEBOOK – parents of Baby K

Other unreported dates – FACEBOOK – parents Baby G

3 Jul 2018 – LL’s first arrest.
 
I really think the FB searches in the way they are grouped together is very damning
Tortoise said:
schedule - I haven't revisited this for a little while so there may be some info missing that we now know, like room no.


8 Jun 2015 - Twin Baby A - murder charge - boy - night – room 1 - designated nurse
9 Jun 2015 – 9.58am - FACEBOOK mother of A&B
10 Jun 2015 - Twin Baby B - attempted murder charge – girl - night – room 1 – Anon 5 mentor designated nurse – LL room 3
10 Jun 2015 – 11.31pm - FACEBOOK mother of A&B
14 Jun 2015 - Baby C - murder charge – boy - night – room 1 – Sophie Ellis designated nurse – LL room 3
14 Jun 2015 – 3.32pm - FACEBOOK parents Baby C
22 Jun 2015 - Baby D - murder charge - girl- night – room 1 – Caroline Oakley designated nurse – LL room 1
25 Jun 2015 – 9.50pm – FACEBOOK mum of A&B
25 Jun 2015 – 9.51pm – FACEBOOK mum of Baby D

abt 8 Jul 2015 – Baby B went home.

4 Aug 2015 - Twin Baby E - murder charge - boy - night – room 1 - designated nurse
5 Aug 2015 - Twin Baby F - attempted murder charge - boy - night – room 2 – Anon 5 mentor designated nurse – LL room 2
6 Aug 2015 – 7.58pm - FACEBOOK mother of E&F
10 Aug 2015 – F went home.
23 Aug 2015 – FACEBOOK mother of E&F

2 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK mum of A&B
3 Sep 2015 – LL’s first night shift since 5th Aug
7 Sep 2015 - Baby G - attempted murder charge – girl - night – room 2 - not designated nurse – LL room 1
9 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK – parents of A&B
14 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK mother E&F
19 Sep 2015 – LL asks her colleague how A&B’s parents are. She doesn’t search them again after this.
21 Sep 2015 - Baby G - 2 x attempted murder charges - day - designated nurse
21 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK parents Baby G
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later FACEBOOK mother of E&F
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later FACEBOOK another mother
26 Sep 2015 - Baby H - attempted murder charge - girl - night – room 1 - designated nurse
27 Sep 2015 - Baby H - attempted murder charge - night – room 1 – Shelley Tomlins designated nurse – LL room 2
30 Sep 2015 - Baby I - alleged attempted murder (chgd w/murder) - girl - day – room 3 - designated nurse

3 Oct 2015 – FACEBOOK father of Baby D
5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.16am – FACEBOOK mother of Baby I
5 Oct 2015 – abt 1.17am – FACEBOOK father of E&F
5 Oct 2015 – 1.18am - FACEBOOK mother of H
13 Oct 2015 - Baby I - alleged attempt murder(chgd w/murder)- night – rm 2 – Ashleigh Hudson designated nurse – LL rm 1
14 Oct 2015 - Baby I - alleged attempted murder (chgd w/murder) - (next) night – room? - designated nurse
23 Oct 2015 - Baby I - murder charge - (same) night – room 1 – Ashleigh Hudson designated nurse – LL room 3

5 Nov 2015 – 11.41pm - FACEBOOK – mother E&F
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – FACEBOOK – mother of G
5 Nov 2015 – 11.44pm – FACEBOOK – mother of I
27 Nov 2015 - Baby J - attempt murder – girl – moved rm 4 to rm 2 - night – Nicola Dennison designated nurse – LL rm 3
Nov 2015 – FACEBOOK – parents Baby J

7 Dec 2015 – FACEBOOK – mother of E&F
25 Dec 2015 – 11.26pm - FACEBOOK – mother of E&F

Jan 2016 – FACEBOOK – mother of E&F
10 Jan 2016 – (last time) FACEBOOK – mother of E&F

17 Feb 2016 - Baby K - attempted murder charge - girl - night – room 1 – Joanne Williams designated nurse – LL room ?

9 Apr 2016 - Twin Baby L - attempted murder charge – boy - day – room 1 – Mary Griffith designated nurse – LL room 1
9 Apr 2016 - Twin Baby M - attempted murder chg – boy - (same) day – room 1 – Mary Griffith designated nurse – LL rm 1

29 May 2016 – 11pm – FACEBOOK – mother of I

3 Jun 2016 - Baby N - attempted murder charge – boy - night – room ? – Christopher Booth designated nurse – LL room 4
15 Jun 2016 - Baby N - 2 x attempted murder charges - day – room 3 - designated nurse
23 Jun 2016 - Triplet Baby O - murder charge - boy - day – room 2 - designated nurse - also supervising a student nurse
24 Jun 2016 - Triplet Baby P - murder charge – boy - day – room 2 - designated nurse
25 Jun 2016 - Baby Q - attempted murder charge - boy - day – room 2- designated nurse

Jul 2016 – LL removed from clinical setting

23 Jun 2017 – anniversary of Baby O’s death – FACEBOOK – Surname of Baby O

Apr 2018 – FACEBOOK – parents of Baby K

Other unreported dates – FACEBOOK – parents Baby G

3 Jul 2018 – LL’s first arrest.
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Thanks so much ..and for all the work you put in
 
Legal said:
She kept trying to minimise it, saying she was just upset and worried. Then he showed her the message she sent to the doctor saying meltdown ++. She then said ok it was a dramatic meltdown. A moment later he asked her why it was dramatic and she said who mentioned dramatic? Nobody said anything about dramatic. NJ said - you did, about 20 seconds ago!!!
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All this maniacal texting finally got and sunk her haha

One has to pay for everything in life.

JMO
 
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2 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK mum of A&B
3 Sep 2015 – LL’s first night shift since 5th Aug
7 Sep 2015 - Baby G - attempted murder charge – girl - night – room 2 - not designated nurse – LL room 1
9 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK – parents of A&B
14 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK mother E&F
19 Sep 2015 – LL asks her colleague how A&B’s parents are. She doesn’t search them again after this.
21 Sep 2015 - Baby G - 2 x attempted murder charges - day - designated nurse
21 Sep 2015 – FACEBOOK parents Baby G
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later FACEBOOK mother of E&F
21 Sep 2015 – minutes later FACEBOOK another mother
26 Sep 2015 - Baby H - attempted murder charge - girl - night – room 1 - designated nurse
27 Sep 2015 - Baby H - attempted murder charge - night – room 1 – Shelley Tomlins designated nurse – LL room 2
30 Sep 2015 - Baby I - alleged attempted murder (chgd w/murder) - girl - day – room 3 - designated nurse
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RSBM

With the 8th June 2017 London trip with Doc Choc coinciding with the 2 year anniversary of Baby A's death...I wonder if their cancelled trip to London in September 2017, coincided with the anniversary of any of the alleged September attacks.

JMO
 
WaxLyrical said:
Minor point, but there was no handover sheet for K.

On the name spelling, I was a bit confused by this. Are they saying it was spelled wrong on the handover sheet, and that’s the spelling she used for the search?
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Maybe they were trying to make the point that she would have needed to check the spelling of the name so he was drawing an association between the handover sheets and the FB searches ?
 
esther43 said:
6 months?! Ha.
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There was a time when a few babies would be on neonatal units for a very long time, but that was decades ago. I looked after one for a year! This was always due to lung damage post-ventilation, which was not so sophisticated back then and also CPAP wasn't in use. But by this time a stay of anywhere near 6 months was unheard of, certainly where I worked.
 
I really hope the Jury picked up on the grouping of Facebook searches..I thought it was damning enough to begin with ...not the searches themselves but the grouping of them ...but essentially now knowing that she was grouping victims with potential victims (allegedly)
 
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