GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

[iamshadow21]

I know this. I'd like to know why, specifically, this is the case, though.

The jury are under a legal compulsion to be there during the trial so why not a convicted defendant?

What prevents a court from issuing a warrant/order that the defendant attends?

I don't know, I tried looking for the specific laws, but it's all Greek to me. One thing I did stumble across, though, is there is a current petition to UK parliament (official site) collecting signatures to work towards changing the law to make them attend. It's got 32K signatures, so far. So if you're a UK citizen interested in this change happening, you might want to look it up and read about it.

MOO

 

[Stella123]

A ‘nice to have’ smoking gun in this trial would have been something like a Google search by Letby “effects of air embolism”, or “can air embolism be seen at post mortem”. That kind of thing.

That's one of the things that sickens me the most. She had no need to do a google search. She was trained to know that an air embolism kills and an overdose of insulin kills. All part of the training (in order to take precautions).

 

[Sundial]

I reckon when he testified under oath he didn't know CPS had all their reams of messages, and if Letby took the stand, they would be exposing the love hearts, peek-a-boo behind the trees in the park, the outings to the shops/restaurants/London.

What a load of BS. imo

Sorry, but that peek-a-boo behind the trees got me wonder if it was musical chairs back at her place afterwards ha

 

[LondonBloke]

Enough already, she cannot be forced to appear, massive possibility of grandstanding, it's not about her. Nor is it about what some here wish would happen either.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Yes it does seem utter madness that she can make the choice to go up for sentencing - she should have zero choice over the video link option as a bare minimum.
As a poster said upthread there is a change.org petition at the moment that you can sign in the wake of the Cashman trial but this needs pushing through parliament.
It’s disgraceful.
JMO

 

[esther43]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>I found it interesting that one of notes said 'i haven't done anything wrong' after we later heard that this is what Belinda Simmock was muttering behind letby during one of the collapses. Jmo

 

[Stella123]

Some doctors were said to be “suicidal” because “concerns were not being heard”

Could Lucy Letby have been stopped sooner? The missed opportunities to catch killer

External review into the Countess of Chester hospital – which has not yet been published – expected to find multiple failings, The Independent understands

www.independent.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

Enough already, she cannot be forced to appear, massive possibility of grandstanding, it's not about her. Nor is it what some here wish would happen either.

All I know if I was the parent of a victim I would want her made to attend to witness her fate In front of me

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes it does seem utter madness that she can make the choice to go up for sentencing - she should have zero choice over the video link option as a bare minimum.
As a poster said upthread there is a change.org petition at the moment that you can sign in the wake of the Cashman trial but this needs pushing through parliament.
It’s disgraceful.
JMO

If you mean me, the petition I mentioned is NOT a change.org petition, it is literally a parliament.uk petition. It is on the government website.

MOO

 

[Anxala]

I know this. I'd like to know why, specifically, this is the case, though.

The jury are under a legal compulsion to be there during the trial so why not a convicted defendant?

What prevents a court from issuing a warrant/order that the defendant attends?

No legislation exists that makes attendance for sentence mandatory for those found guilty, that's the problem. A change in the law is what's required here so it's written into the statute book. The court doesn't have that power.

This has been an ongoing issue for years and a well-publicised one in many cases. Are you not in the UK?

Here for eg:

Offenders could be forced to attend sentencing after Zara Aleena case

Dominic Raab considering allowing judges to increase sentences of convicts who refuse to appear

www.theguardian.com

Calls to force court appearances as Lucy Letby refuses to attend sentencing

Nurse convicted of killing seven babies is third murderer in recent times to avoid hearing

www.theguardian.com

 

[Moll]

But could she be on first name terms with CEO?

Wouldn't she write: "Boss"?

She meant Union rep.

Besides,
this CEO Tony Ch. was the person who called Police to investigate.

She could.
You'd expect a union rep to be involved, but were they? It seems as if her parents took that role!
I don't know what the dates are of the texts CS2C has quoted but I think calling the police came later, reluctantly, didn't it?
Odd if this wasn't clarified when she was being questioned by NJ.

 

[Dotta]

She could.
You'd expect a union rep to be involved, but were they? It seems as if her parents took that role!
I don't know what the dates are of the texts CS2C has quoted but I think calling the police came later, reluctantly, didn't it?
Odd if this wasn't clarified when she was being questioned by NJ.

But I thought this matter was resolved.
It was Union repr. Tony
Not CEO.

 

[Parker Knoll]

If you mean me, the petition I mentioned is NOT a change.org petition, it is literally a parliament.uk petition. It is on the government website.

MOO

I didn’t.

 

[iamshadow21]

I didn’t.

Okay, no problem then.

I'd just mentioned a petition about the same issue a handful of posts earlier, and wasn't sure if you were talking about that.

MOO

 

[Parker Knoll]

There MAY be two Tony’s Dotta …. I’m not sure the union reps name was ever published tbh. My money is on Tony C
JMO

 

[LondonBloke]

Anyone thought about the practicalities of forcing someone up from a cell to hear their sentence?

 

[CS2C]

But I thought this matter was resolved.
It was Union repr. Tony
Not CEO.

I think it was Tony Chambers personally. Tony is going to contact Karen (has to be Karen Rees) It was glossed over in court because Mr Johnson assumed Tony was Letby's rep. She just said "yes"

But it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was indeed Tony Chambers as he was a Letby cheerleader (For some reason)

 

[Dotta]

Anyone thought about the practicalities of forcing someone up from a cell to hear their sentence?

Do you mean
Dragging by ears???

 

[Tortoise]

She could.
You'd expect a union rep to be involved, but were they? It seems as if her parents took that role!
I don't know what the dates are of the texts CS2C has quoted but I think calling the police came later, reluctantly, didn't it?
Odd if this wasn't clarified when she was being questioned by NJ.

I think she said he was her union rep but Nick Johnson KC possibly wasn't convinced of her telling the truth about it.

From her evidence in chief -

The court has previously heard how Lucy Letby was moved to the hospital's risk and patient safety office in July 2016 after concern was raised over her possible link to incidents with babies on the neonatal unit.
Letby says she "wasn't happy" about the decision at the time.
Her barrister, Ben Myers KC, pulls up messages sent by Letby to a nurse in August 2016 about the hospital's internal review process. She had taken advice from a union representative not to talk to anyone about the situation.
"Feels a bit like I'm being shoved in a corner and forgotten about by the trust, it's my life and career," she texted a colleague on 8 August.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court

 

[LondonBloke]

Do you mean
Dragging by ears???

Being serious for now, how exactly would that work? I'd rather not have a circus in court thanks.