UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #34

[ColourPurple]

As I've alluded to before - I'm convinced that this Chambers guy is going to be a lot more significant than we realise. I think it'll turn out that he and Lucy were much more familiar with one another than we realise right now!

But is this based on anything more than:
1. You having found LL attractive so you think Tony Chambers would have too?
2. LL having had a relationship with Doc Choc (which may have been based on how useful his inside info was to her)?

 

[Anxala]

But is this based on anything more than:
1. You having found LL attractive so you think Tony Chambers would have too?
2. LL having had a relationship with Doc Choc (which may have been based on how useful his inside info was to her)?

I'm basing this on nothing but pulled out of very thin air speculation but I wonder if the 'relationship' between Chambers and LL was more to do with Chambers' relationship with LL's father ie. that they knew each other, belonged to the same eg. church, golf club, Masons, etc etc. I'm particularly thinking along the lines of Masons or equivalent. Brotherhood and all that...

That would make more sense to me in terms of her father's rather unusual involvement in her worklife.

Just a thought of course.

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm basing this on nothing but pulled out of very thin air speculation but I wonder if the 'relationship' between Chambers and LL was more to do with Chambers' relationship with LL's father ie. that they knew each other, belonged to the same eg. church, golf club, Masons, etc etc. I'm particularly thinking along the lines of Masons.

That would make more sense to me in terms of her father's rather unusual involvement in her worklife.

But Letby's parents didn't live in Chester.

MOO

 

[Anxala]

But Letby's parents didn't live in Chester.

MOO

They wouldn't need to.

 

[ColourPurple]

I'm basing this on nothing but pulled out of very thin air speculation but I wonder if the 'relationship' between Chambers and LL was more to do with Chambers' relationship with LL's father ie. that they knew each other, belonged to the same eg. church, golf club, Masons, etc etc. I'm particularly thinking along the lines of Masons or equivalent. Brotherhood and all that...

That would make more sense to me in terms of her father's rather unusual involvement in her worklife.

Just a thought of course.

I think her father was just there to back up (and probably believed 100% in) LL's whole victim act. That she'd been so destroyed by the false accusations that she needed Daddy to step in and read out her victim impact statement. I also suspect he'd done this many times throughout her childhood. I tend to think Chambers' defence of LL was a combination of things:

• She played the victim and the damsel in distress so convincingly that he (and Karen Rees) genuinely believed that she was innocent. Karen Rees mentioned how LL was regularly 'in complete distress, crying and swearing her innocence"
• The fact that Chambers and Rees were both former nurses may have made them more likely to side with/sympathise with a nurse over a doctor in a situation that could've been interpreted as doctors blaming a nurse.
• According to the consultants Chambers said he didn't want the "bad publicity" of the police being involved (presumably because he thought she was innocent and the story would be "innocent nurse bullied and wrongly accused of killing babies" )

 

[Dotta]

• According to the consultants Chambers said he didn't want the "bad publicity" of the police being involved (presumably because he thought she was innocent and the story would be "innocent nurse bullied and wrongly accused of killing babies" )

I guess he thought about his bonuses.

JMO

 

[Parker Knoll]

As I've alluded to before - I'm convinced that this Chambers guy is going to be a lot more significant than we realise. I think it'll turn out that he and Lucy were much more familiar with one another than we realise right now!

I really don’t think I could cope with that “ twist “ tbh !

 

[iamshadow21]

Dbm

 

[iamshadow21]

They wouldn't need to.

But the likelihood of TC and Letby's parents attending the same church, golf club or lodge is slim if they live in different counties, is what I'm saying. They may have shared religion or social connections or hobbies, yes, but they wouldn't be bumping into each other on the links or worshiping together on a Sunday. They would attend somewhere local to them.

MOO

 

[Anxala]

I really don’t think I could cope with that “ twist “ tbh !

Of all the pulled out of thin air speculative theories on here, I think you can sleep safely in the knowledge that this is not a twist you'll ever wake up to.

 

[Anxala]

But the likelihood of TC and Letby's parents attending the same church, golf club or lodge is slim if they live in different counties, is what I'm saying. They may have shared religion or social connections or hobbies, yes, but they wouldn't be bumping into each other on the links or worshiping together on a Sunday. They would attend somewhere local to them.

MOO

It was more the Mason aspect. It's a network that's not dependant upon locality. And as I said, pulled out of thin air, and purely speculative and not really anything that needs any more consideration.

But it, as a theory, has at least a degree more probability imo than the earlier speculation that Chambers' support of LL was down to Chambers giving LL one on the sly.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Because if he did have any form of inappropriate relationship with her - romantically / sexually / or because he's got a special bond with her father (aka something like the masons), then clearly it blinded him to the reality of what was going on. In exactly the same way as Dr Choc / no name.

To fail to comprehend the severity of harm being done by LL because one is blinded by 'whatever' (pick one of the seven deadly sins) is a form of complicity and it did facilitate it to go on undetected. It's a form of corruption IMO.

 

[DianaWW]

If there were any kind of relationship between LL and Chambers, surely there’d have been messages found on her phone? We know she’s not the type to delete anything!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

If there were any kind of relationship between LL and Chambers, surely there’d have been messages found on her phone? We know she’s not the type to delete anything!

Sounds like some form of communication went on via her union and then also the father.
Let's not forget it was this episode that resulted in her being offered training for an even better and more responsible job, plus her colleagues given written warnings. So something went awry at the hands of Chambers.

 

[CS2C]

I haven't forgotten I said I would put together all of LL's falsified notes. It's coming very soon, I've just been distracted by the good weather.

That would be amazing to see !

 

[DianaWW]

Sounds like some form of communication went on via her union and then also the father.
Let's not forget it was this episode that resulted in her being offered training for an even better and more responsible job, plus her colleagues given written warnings. So something went awry at the hands of Chambers.

Yes absolutely, I just think if there were anything romantic/sexual, there’d be some evidence of that, messages etc, so I think it’s unlikely. JMO though.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I don’t think there was a connection via LL parents and TC, They we’re from different geographical areas and completely different walks of life … the only connection was Letby. A Mason conspiracy theory pops up on SO many true crime forums but of course I maybe wrong, this management just wanted all of this to go away staggering as that seems.
I just think the father turned up throwing his weight about and threatening to go to the GMC ( maybe the papers also ? )
He who shouts loudest and all that.
JMO

 

[Kemug]

Agree

shocking but not surprising contents in that article:

Even after Letby’s arrest – just a few weeks before Gilby assumed her new role – she says she was shocked to find a “very fixed view that the police have got this wrong”.
“I couldn’t actually identify anybody whose concern was that murders had taken place in the neonatal unit,” Gilby, 60, recalls. “There was a belief that there would be no charges and that the focus of our energies should be on what were we going to do about these paediatricians.”

what former CEO Tony Chambers told Gilby in 2020 when she phoned him to let him know that LL had been charged
'“He was horrified, but not in the way that I expected.… he expressed concern about Lucy,” she says. “He said, ‘I’m just worried about a wrongful conviction’.”

CoC Trust. The Brains Trust? No

You would think that a hospital management's first and only concern would be the welfare of their patients, wouldn't you? Someone should have kept reminding this lot.

 

[LadyL]

We're all delighted that Letby has been caught for her crimes.

But let's not delude ourselves - she's just one of many criminals at large in our hospitals.

Nurses/doctors harming patients; doctors/surgeons abusing nurses in operating theatres and elsewhere.

It's a a nightmare environment.

everywhere too - not just UK
it's happening here in Canada

 

[Anxala]

I don’t think there was a connection via LL parents and TC, They we’re from different geographical areas and completely different walks of life … the only connection was Letby. A Mason conspiracy theory pops up on SO many true crime forums but of course I maybe wrong, this management just wanted all of this to go away staggering as that seems.
I just think the father turned up throwing his weight about and threatening to go to the GMC ( maybe the papers also ? )
He who shouts loudest and all that.
JMO

I see you, throwing impertinent shade at my carefully thought through (aka randomly pulled out of thin air) Mason theory.

On balance, I think you're probably likely right and it was as simple as that, just Chambers & co being entirely (and appallingly) self-serving, hence the indulgence of LL's family involvement.