UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

[CS2C]

I didn't know what to think tbh as it was all over the local news and she had been named in the MSM before charges which is unheard of whilst the police dug up her garden - nothing made sense from there on in and it hasn’t changed.
I’m going to make a guess we will have more charges in 2025, by the summer I think.
JMO

I would imagine it could be as early as January. I believe that is why her defence rushed out that press conference recently, as once new charges are brought they can’t speak publicly.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I can’t remember their exact words but it seemed to be later in the year but again who knows … it’s Letby.
Well done @CS2C on the YT mega uploads … it’s fascinating as usual but you must be exhausted !
I’m banned from continuing to watch it later as I have to get into the Christmas spirit apparently but I will !
Merry Christmas all X

 

[Sweeper2000]

Merry Christmas one and all.

 

[Parker Knoll]

The powers of Ai
Interesting and accurate article here

What next for Lucy Letby?

Don't hold your breath for an appeal

snowdon.substack.com

 

[Sweeper2000]

Little baby jeezus that's scared the living daylights out of me. It's like she's coming at yah. It's even vacant looking. Take it away

 

[Tortoise]

The powers of Ai
Interesting and accurate article here

What next for Lucy Letby?

Don't hold your breath for an appeal

snowdon.substack.com

I disagree with him, in one respect, where he says about Evans;

"There is a suspicion that he gets a little too invested in whichever ‘side’ he is giving evidence for and has said that he is still sore over the one case he ‘lost’. This is not the language of an impartial witness."

I don't know how others interpret it, but I would say that once an expert has formed an opinion, and has discounted other interpretations of the evidence with reasoning, and they are being used in court, it is then at that stage not their job to be impartial. Impartiality only matters when first assessing the evidence. To think they should be not committed to their expert opinions is crazy (IMO). Are they supposed to say, 'ah yes, you could be right' to the defence, and not be confident in their own opinions? How does that criticism of Evans compare to the other experts who gave evidence in the trial? Were they wishy washy, or did they stand firm in their opinions? I don't get it. The jury wouldn't know what to think if the experts were saying anything could be true, it could be murder or a natural death.

And if the expert opinion did not result in a conviction or acquittal, depending on which side is using them and their expert viewpoint, I would also see it as losing or winning a case. I wouldn't expect McDonald's neonatologists to agree with the prosecution's case, or be accused of not being impartial if they didn't. All experts must support their own opinions.

MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

During an adjournment debate in the Commons on Wednesday (January 8), Mr Davis told MPs: “There is case in justice, in my view, for a retrial. But there is a problem: one of the problems we face is that much of the evidence was available at the time.

“What I have described is an expert analysis of the case notes, which were there at the time, but it was simply not presented to the jury. This means the Court of Appeal can dismiss it, basically saying the defence should have presented it at the initial trial.

Former minister calls for retrial of child serial killer Lucy Letby

The former nurse was convicted of murdering seven babies and trying to kill seven more while working as a nurse at the Countess of Chester Hospital

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[CS2C]

During an adjournment debate in the Commons on Wednesday (January 8), Mr Davis told MPs: “There is case in justice, in my view, for a retrial. But there is a problem: one of the problems we face is that much of the evidence was available at the time.

“What I have described is an expert analysis of the case notes, which were there at the time, but it was simply not presented to the jury. This means the Court of Appeal can dismiss it, basically saying the defence should have presented it at the initial trial.

Former minister calls for retrial of child serial killer Lucy Letby

The former nurse was convicted of murdering seven babies and trying to kill seven more while working as a nurse at the Countess of Chester Hospital

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Absolute load of *advertiser censored*. All of this was done during the original trial.

 

[Tortoise]

I think it's high time the CPS stepped in now to make a public statement denouncing the news reporting and repeating of all of this misinformation.

This is outrageous, that so many doctors and experts are being smeared, that the court of appeal is being blatantly disrespected and disregarded, based on a handful of people who can't be bothered to inform themselves reliably.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The court of appeal refused her permission to appeal against the convictions, and a public inquiry led by Lady Justice Thirlwall is taking place on the basis that Letby is guilty.

However, Davis said he had formed the view that justice had not been done after he was approached by many experts expressing concerns, including a past president of the Royal Statistical Society and a past president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. They were, he said, “more knowledgable than the purported experts whose evidence convicted Lucy Letby”.

Lucy Letby retrial needed after ‘clear miscarriage of justice’, says David Davis

MP tells parliament he believes justice has not been done after hearing experts’ concerns over former nurse’s murder convictions

www.theguardian.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The MP and former chancellor told the Thirlwall Inquiry Letby's crimes "happened on my watch" and "although you don't have direct responsibility… you do have ultimate responsibility"

Former health secretary Jeremy Hunt apologises to the families of serial child killer Lucy Letby's victims

The former nurse murdered seven babies and tried to murder seven others at the Countess of Chester Hospital in 2015 and 2016 and Mr Hunt admitted that, as health secretary at the time, "you do have ultimate responsibility".

news.sky.com

 

[Parker Knoll]

It’s tedious, disrespectful and factually incorrect.
DD MP yesterday was a joke frankly and he will get precisely nowhere with his “ quest for the truth “
Let’s see what they all say when new charges are brought.
Exhausting bunch.
JMO

 

[Parker Knoll]

Not sure which thread this should actually be posted on but here are Letbys academic qualifications.

 

[JennieM]

Two baby deaths still being probed - Letby inquiry​

3 hours ago

Police are continuing to investigate two baby deaths linked to the hospital where child serial killer Lucy Letby worked, the public inquiry examining her crimes has heard.

A document prepared by the Thirlwall Inquiry's legal team said there had been 13 deaths at the Countess of Chester's neonatal unit between 2015 and 2016, while four had died after they had been transferred to neonatal units at other hospitals.

While all 17 deaths have been examined by Cheshire Constabulary, the public inquiry heard that two of them - either at the Countess of Chester or elsewhere post-transfer - "remain the subject of ongoing police investigation".

Cheshire Constabulary declined to comment.

Police still probing two baby deaths - Letby inquiry

Police have reviewed the care of 4,000 babies who were in hospital during Lucy Letby's employment.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sweeper2000]

Not sure which thread this should actually be posted on but here are Letbys academic qualifications.

Creme de la creme obviously. More sour bleeding milk if you ask me.

 

[Sweeper2000]

The “unusual” spike in baby deaths on the neonatal unit where Lucy Letby worked had a less than 1% probability of occurring given its previous mortality rate, a public inquiry has been told.

Sir David Spiegelhalter, the emeritus professor of statistics at the University of Cambridge, said the sudden rise in deaths in 2015 was “surprising” and enough to warrant an internal investigation.

Spike in baby deaths in Lucy Letby unit warranted inquiry, says statistician

Sir David Spiegelhalter says rise was surprising within hospital but not from a national perspective

www.theguardian.com

so those stat wizzez aint all in agreement. How does that sound comparing the facts that much ado was made of the shift chart as incorrect stats and that statement that the likelihood of it being a normal run of things was less than 1% ?

 

[Sweeper2000]

interesting to note that a comparison nationally meant that the change in fatalities wasnt actually call for alarm but thats not relevant to localised statistics. it wasnt abnormal nationally but was to itself which I think is more relevant. obviously on a national scale there will be a greater degree of differences in data collected with greater variables as not all babs are the same. i dont quite see how a national evaluation is relevant, its only relevant when applying science t0o find out what works and what doesnt but might have no meaning or relevance to finding out if something is unusual. i wonder if that might have importance in the outcomes of the enquiry and tightening processes to prevent something similar happening in the future?

does also have relevance to the internal processes that happened, if it is quite easy to see that "these events are extremely unusual for this unit" then obviously action should ahve been taken sooner. i wonder of it was the management looking for a reason to not take action. i dont know if it was enough to take her off the unit though.

 

[Sweeper2000]

hey guys anyone remember seeing where it was said that lucy used to carry around first aid kits and extra pads for the girls at school? struggling to find it and not sure if its in cs2c videos?

 

[Highlandspring]

hey guys anyone remember seeing where it was said that lucy used to carry around first aid kits and extra pads for the girls at school? struggling to find it and not sure if its in cs2c videos?

I think it was the one where he interviewed the former schoolmate (using mate loosely ). He voiced her answers, she stayed anonymous. Can't remember what he called it though. It can take some digging to find things in the various lists.

 

[Highlandspring]

I think it was the one where he interviewed the former schoolmate (using mate loosely ). He voiced her answers, she stayed anonymous. Can't remember what he called it though. It can take some digging to find things in the various lists.

Found it.

If you listen to it, please could you tell us if she was the one who told CS2C that LL was head girl? Thanks.