Your suggestion is probably why the car wipers were activated, but i also wonder if the killer did it to partly obscure what was going on inside the car, speculation, imo.
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i wonder where she picked up the killer. from the killers point of view, guiding penny at kinife point to the gurnel grove car park would be risky, so why not just meet her there.
I agree. If it's planned, why risk guiding her there, and why chose a busy car park for a murder location in the first place?
The car park is shown as almost empty in the Crimewatch reconstruction, but the newspaper reports mention that it was busy that morning.
There were well over a hundred parking spaces at the leisure centre. I wonder how many of them were free. How does the killer know he's not guiding his victim into a car park which is already completely full?
And not only that they also managed to find a free space in a relatively obscure part of the car park that was partially shielded by overgrown hedges. We don't know if that car park was specifically chosen or just a randomly chosen place. It does seem quite remarkable that such a frenzied attack could be carried out without being noticed. Perhaps initially something else was going on and then the killer just lost control of themselves. I do tend to agree that forcing someone to drive for a significant distance is no easy task either.
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i never thought of that. the wipers put on by the killer to stop people looking in.
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Does anyone feel the amount is strange for blackmail? Ie most people would ask for a round number say £10000 , not £8500 ?
Also her appointment at 08:50 sounds more like an official one ie Drs/Dentist, if it was an individual you would say on the hour (9am) rather than precisely ten to ?
Has her car been kept ? Re testing for prints etc would possibly be helpful.
Also her appointment at 08:50 sounds more like an official one ie Drs/Dentist, if it was an individual you would say on the hour (9am) rather than precisely ten to ?
Has her car been kept ? Re testing for prints etc would possibly be helpful.
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if penny put the hazards/wipers on at some point, they were not on very long. she would have been scared, and not want to anger the killer. there is no way they were on driving down greenford rd, then into the car park, as some witness suggested.
Yep it's an odd amount. But we really have no idea what it was for or where it went. Wish they'd been a bit more candid about what cash she usually drew and what it was used for and how often. Makes it all very hard to contextualise.
The appointment time does sound more like something you would have with a dentist or doctor etc. Thinking about it did she mention an appointment to anyone other than the builders? I don't think I've ever read that she mentioned it to her husband or anyone else? It's another frustrating part of the puzzle. To date there's no evidence at all she had an appointment and nothing to say she didn't. All we know is she said she had one. May have been genuine or just an excuse to stop the builders delaying her. Certainly if it was a genuine appointment not connected with her death you'd have thought someone would have come forward. May be vitally important or a total red herring.
It depends which witness statements we believe (if any).
The police certainly haven't ever confirmed any of the potential sightings as 'definites'.
There was a wallpaper sample found in the central carousel of the car. Police seem to think Penny was looking at the sample, or showing it to someone, before the attack began.
Does this suggest that the attack started in the leisure centre carpark?
Can't find it now of course but I saw somewhere there was sone doubt about where the wallpaper was. Centre consul is what I always thought but apparently some say it was in the back of the car.
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''One of the details of the case that has never been explained is why, when police came to examine the murder scene, there were wallpaper samples laid out in the back of the car.''
2021 rbbm.
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''A wallpaper sample was found under her body which police believe was open before she was attacked, as if she had been looking at it or showing it to someone''.
www.thesun.co.uk
''She ran a highly successful recruitment agency in London supplying catering staff for high-profile events such as Wimbledon tennis and Henley Royal Regatta.''
''Above all, she had a reputation for moral integrity. So, who would have wanted her dead in such a cruel and spiteful fashion? And why?''
"Inside the car, Laura Ashley wallpaper samples for her home had been carefully laid out on the central console.
Was she about to show them to someone or had she been looking at them as she waited for her mystery appointment to arrive?''
www.ealingtimes.co.uk
''Her grey handbag was open and placed behind the front passenger seat and still contained all of Penny's personal effects with nothing, apparently, having been stolen.
Under her body was a wallpaper sample. A post-mortem revealed she had suffered more than 50 stab wounds.''
The Inside Story of Britain's Most Notorious Cold Case Murder
In 1991, Penny Bell was found in her Jaguar, stabbed 50 times in the chest and arms. Her killer has never been found.
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Penny Bell murder: Daughter makes Crimewatch appeal over 1991 stabbing
Penny Bell was found slumped in the driver's seat of her Jaguar with multiple stab wounds.
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My mum was stabbed 50 times in a car park in UK’s most mysterious cold case
THE DEVASTATED daughter of murdered businesswoman Penny Bell has revealed a new prime suspect could crack the cold case open decades on. Penny was savagely stabbed to death 50 times as she sat in h…
www.thesun.co.uk
''Above all, she had a reputation for moral integrity. So, who would have wanted her dead in such a cruel and spiteful fashion? And why?''
"Inside the car, Laura Ashley wallpaper samples for her home had been carefully laid out on the central console.
Was she about to show them to someone or had she been looking at them as she waited for her mystery appointment to arrive?''
Detectives appeal 30 years on from Penny Bell murder
AN appeal went live on BBC1’s Crimewatch Roadshow Live last night (10) for information that can help catch the killer of Penny Bell, who was…
Under her body was a wallpaper sample. A post-mortem revealed she had suffered more than 50 stab wounds.''
Penny was extremely wealthy and I doubt if 8.5k was a once in a lifetime type cash withdrawal for her. She had just spent 120k doing up her house for example.
I'm not sure if Alistair would have been keeping a close eye on the joint account. He was busy with his own job, and didn't know what was going on with the build. Most of the builders didn't even know who he was.
I can believe his account that Penny ran all the finances. He was the house husband for years; and she was the big earner, and clearly also a big spender.
She's a shrewd negotiator, so maybe she thinks he'll accept 85% of the requested amount.
I think it's the most obscure space in the car park. Far away from the entrance and from the building itself.
If Penny is going there for a completely legitimate appointment, then wouldn't she park near to the entrance, so whoever is meeting her sees her straight away?
She has a 'real' work appointment at 10.30am, so would she want to waste additional time by hiding away in the far corner of the carpark?
It's possible. Penny seems to have very much lived in a man's world though.
She was known to draw cash and be comfortable with large sums. Unfortunately we don't have any further information where this particular withdrawal sits in relation to her other withdrawals.