GUILTY UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London, Clapham Common area, 3 Mar 2021 *Life sentence* #16

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Seattle1 said:
^^bbm
No child deserves this life sentence and I trust that these innocent children have been receiving professional help and will continue to receive counseling for as long as necessary to learn and understand that their father's mind is deeply disturbed and not typical behavior of any male or female for that matter -- let alone one's father and/or mother.
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I'm thinking about them too and his wife.
So many victims.
 
cuecard said:
Broadmoor would require WC to meet certain criteria of the Mental Health Act for admission and we haven't really heard anything that would back that up. Sounds like his life was spiralling with debt, escorts etc but there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he is being treated or assessed long term for any severe mental health illnesses.

You're right though, he will not go into gen pop or I would be stunned if he did.
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The plea hearing for the murder charge was originally delayed for psychiatric reports. He subsequently pleaded 'guilty' to the murder charge. If the psychiatric reports had indicated a diminished responsibility due to his significantly impaired mental state at the time I feel certain he would have pleaded 'not guilty' to the murder charge but his defence would have offered up 'manslaughter by means of diminished responsibility'. This didn't happen so he must be of predominantly sound mind, just evil beyond belief.
 
Hey everyone, I'm more of a lurker on this forum and don't post much. I just wondered have they indicated what the hairbands were used for? I have an awful feeling he bought them for a trophy of her hair. I hate saying that by the way, it's so macabre.
 
chrissy83 said:
Hey everyone, I'm more of a lurker on this forum and don't post much. I just wondered have they indicated what the hairbands were used for? I have an awful feeling he bought them for a trophy of her hair. I hate saying that by the way, it's so macabre.
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Wayne Couzens sentencing as it happened: 'Haunted and heartbroken' mother of Sarah Everard addresses killer

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They included a broken fragment of Sarah Everard's mobile SIM card, three clear plastic gloves in the driver's door, a handcuff key, two black-coloured Velcro straps attached to one another to form a loop, a craft knife, a head torch on an elasticated band, an unused condom, several hairbands and a sachet of lubricating jelly.

Prosecutor Tom Little QC says Couzens bought a similar pack of hairbands from a Tesco store on the evening he kidnapped Ms Everard "for the purposes of the planned kidnap and rape", possibly to maintain an erection or to restrain her.
 
Seattle1 said:
Wayne Couzens sentencing as it happened: 'Haunted and heartbroken' mother of Sarah Everard addresses killer

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They included a broken fragment of Sarah Everard's mobile SIM card, three clear plastic gloves in the driver's door, a handcuff key, two black-coloured Velcro straps attached to one another to form a loop, a craft knife, a head torch on an elasticated band, an unused condom, several hairbands and a sachet of lubricating jelly.

Prosecutor Tom Little QC says Couzens bought a similar pack of hairbands from a Tesco store on the evening he kidnapped Ms Everard "for the purposes of the planned kidnap and rape", possibly to maintain an erection or to restrain her.
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Thank you, I'd missed that. What a deprived b*****.
 
I've finally caught up with the thread... a tough read in places. Thanks for all the updates, guys, and for everyone's analysis and opinions.

Personally I'm hoping for a whole life order. I don't think this is a man who can be rehabilitated, and I don't say that lightly. I think the criteria are met because Sarah was placed in an exceptionally vulnerable position the moment Couzens took his warrant card out. For me, that moves the goalposts in the same way that the law would consider a 17yo too young and vulnerable to consent to sex if the person doing the asking was their teacher.

As for whether he'll survive very long after sentencing anyway, I think I've revised my opinion about that. When he was first taken into custody I thought he was suicidal after waking up to the enormity of what he'd done, but with the benefit of today's information I now think all he was doing was setting up an insanity defence. That manipulativeness is the reason I don't want him ever going before a parole board.

I'll put my (virtual) money where my mouth is and say now that I think the judge will make a whole life order tomorrow.

See you all in the morning.
 
Whitehall 1212 said:
The plea hearing for the murder charge was originally delayed for psychiatric reports. He subsequently pleaded 'guilty' to the murder charge. If the psychiatric reports had indicated a diminished responsibility due to his significantly impaired mental state at the time I feel certain he would have pleaded 'not guilty' to the murder charge but his defence would have offered up 'manslaughter by means of diminished responsibility'. This didn't happen so he must be of predominantly sound mind, just evil beyond belief.
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I believe psych reports are required from all defendants entering a guilty plea.

Clearly, WC acted in duties before and after the murder to negate any claim that he was incapable to form a rational judgment or exercise self-control to meet the legal definition but I don't think there's any question that he's of a very unhealthy mind and body.

In the US, it's also very difficult to successfully prove criminal insanity defense versus serious mental disease.
 
JayWill said:
Huntley was not a policeman in a special role of trust, though was he? The fact that he used his warrant card, to force her into the car is an aggravating factor IMO.
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No. Huntley was a caretaker in a school. In a special role of trust, one could argue. That murdered two children using that very veil of trust.
 
Stella123 said:
Agree. Premeditated. We can't fathom the mind and why he would do such a thing because we're normal. He did it because he wanted to. I still think he was arrogant enough to think no-one would trace it to him or find her. And if it hadn't been for the buscam and cctv that may well have been the case. Otherwise who would think of looking outside London?
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I think he planned it in his head for weeks and months and his plan to say he took her to give to a human trafficking gang that was going to be his cover story but it backfired and did not go the way he thought it would by arresting SE on the street he took a big chance he must have known the evidence would have lead back to him thank god for those witnesses who thought they was witnessing an arrest with that footage
 
thatssoamy said:
It said she was handcuffed to the rear of the vehicle so probably the handle above the door. So when he took her out of the car she was handcuffed but her arms were free, if that makes sense?
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I strongly suspect this means that SE was handcuffed to the rear, i.e. hands behind her back with one wrist above the other. This is a police handcuffing technique with the handcuffs of the type recovered from WC's locker.
 
JuicyLucy said:
No, I don't think so. I've worked at Broadmoor and imho (admittedly not having had any interaction with him) he doesn't belong there. I'm sure he'll need segregation though.

On a slightly different topic, I'm struck by how little he continues to cooperate. I thought the guilty plea might be a turning point, but there's a good deal the police still don't know, e.g. exactly when poor Sarah died, and lots of unaccounted for time. It makes me wonder all over again why he didn't decide to try his luck all the way to trial. For sure, what we're currently hearing isn't going to spare his children any distress, which you might think was his motivation, and I'm pretty certain it's not Sarah's family he was thinking of.

JMO
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It could be that WC's legal team advised him that the evidence was overwhelming and conviction was all but certain, but that he had a chance of not receiving a whole life tariff for an early guilty plea. However, I feel the judge will give a whole life order because of the pre-meditation, the breach of trust, the false arrest to aid the abduction, the length of the horrific and fearful journey before the rape and the nature of disposal and concealment.

This is all utterly horrific. The horror and torment that Sarah must have experienced at the hands of this despicable, pathetic creature leaves me with tears in my eyes and deep sadness for her and her family. As an ex-police officer knowing that we are there to protect life first and foremost this leaves me bewildered and shocked.

Rest in Peace Sarah and I pray your loved ones can find peace amongst their unbearable turmoil.
 
chrissy83 said:
Hey everyone, I'm more of a lurker on this forum and don't post much. I just wondered have they indicated what the hairbands were used for? I have an awful feeling he bought them for a trophy of her hair. I hate saying that by the way, it's so macabre.
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The implication seems to be that he used them as a makeshift cockring - to restrict blood from exiting his penis so he can maintain an erection.
One of the updates from court said that a penis pump and hair bands were found stored together in his bedroom (nothing to suggest this was used in the crime, it was just noted from the search of the house) which sounds like they're something he regularly used.
 
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