GUILTY UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London, Clapham Common area, 3 Mar 2021 *Life sentence* #16

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  1. Jenesaisquoi

    Jenesaisquoi Well-Known Member

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    The rest of the serving police officers in this country will have their lives made harder because of WC’s actions. They don’t deserve that. The average person in this country should be able to trust the police. The fact that he was a police officer and used that equipment and skills to terrify makes him even more dangerous imo
     


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    10:15am
    Killing wasn't premeditated, insists defence


    Jim Sturman QC said that the fact Couzens never tried to hide his tracks in terms of the hire car, buying things on his cards and not concealing his face when entering shops meant this was not a premeditated murder.

    This, the defence argues, is a reason not to send the killer to prison for the rest of his life.
     
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    So many unanswered unknowns, I can't stop thinking about all these moments and how it must have been for her. How her family must replay these unknowns is untenable.
     
  5. Sayrah

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  6. infinit

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    He's pleaded Guilty because he knows his position is hopeless. He'd be able to evidence no previous interaction with her, and would have to go with some ludicrous story that she'd quite happily got in the car for sex with a complete stranger who waved her down, and instead of simply going back to her flat which would be the obvious option, it required an 80 mile journey. Which would be believed by no one after he came out with his "immigrant gang" story.
     
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    10:15am
    Killing wasn't premeditated, insists defence


    Jim Sturman QC said that the fact Couzens never tried to hide his tracks in terms of the hire car, buying things on his cards and not concealing his face when entering shops meant this was not a premeditated murder.

    This, the defence argues, is a reason not to send the killer to prison for the rest of his life.
     
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  8. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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  10. Moll

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    10:17am
    Defence on the relevance of police officer status


    The relevance of Couzens' being a police officer has been flipped by the defence.

    Jim Sturman QC says that the killing of a police officer on duty could be seen as a whole-life term crime, but not necessarily the killing by a police officer on duty.
     
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    "She quite liked being handcuffed too *some type of sexual kink*" :rolleyes:
     
  12. Parmalade

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    IMO, it should be given that he wasn’t on duty, and therefore the fact he is one ordinarily doesn’t lighten the fact he used that very fact (and the accompanying equipment such as training, cuffs and ID badge) to dupe a victim. Instead, to me it amounts as impersonating an on-duty officer for the purposes of deception and abduction, and therefore is one of the more aggravating factors?!
     
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  13. Tullyjune

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    The defence lawyer will know by giving this piece of work the most professional defence available means that he will be less likely to appeal the whole conviction at a later date.

    A good defence is as important in getting justice as a good prosecution.
     
  14. Seattle1

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    Rebecca Barry@BeccaBarry

    Wayne Couzens “accepts he will receive and deserves to receive a severe sentence”.. he has “revulsion for what he did and does not seek to make excuses” and is “filled with self loathing and abject shame” according to his defence

    2:15 AM · Sep 30, 2021

    Wayne Couzens is back in the dock at the Old Bailey waiting to hear if he’ll spend the rest of his life in prison #SarahEverard

    2:11 AM · Sep 30, 2021

    Couzens is sitting with his head bowed, as he has throughout most of proceedings #SarahEverard

    2:20 AM · Sep 30, 2021

    Couzens’ defence barrister says he did not set out to commit murder. He says as a police officer he knew about automatic number plate recognition, he knew hire car could be traced back to him, he made no attempt to conceal identity: all this is inconsistent with intention to kill

    2:23 AM · Sep 30, 2021·

    Defence: “He is ashamed; What he’s done is terrible, he deserve a very lengthy finite term”

    2:24 AM · Sep 30, 2021·

    Judge is deciding whether to impose a whole life order - where Couzens would never be considered for release. Defence is arguing against this

    2:23 AM · Sep 30, 2021
     
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  15. Parmalade

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    Well, he’s reaching now but - as Tullyjune says upthread - no stone unturned in the defence (as it wasn’t in the investigation) might help nail WC for good through lack of basis for appeal.
     
  16. NottReds50

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    I agree, but that isn't the law - at the moment.....

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1443469893513490437

    "In essence: the murderer of a police officer will face a whole-life sentence, while a police officer using their power of arrest and their office for a murder will not"
     
  17. Moll

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    Telegraph 10.24 am

    Whole-life tariffs for murders of two or more, says defence

    The defence counsel has pointed to legal terms which provides examples of cases that would normally meet the test for the imposition of a whole life order.

    Jim Sturman said: "The murder of two or more persons, where each murder involves one of the following:

    1. A substantial degree of premeditation or planning
    2. The abduction of the victim
    3. Or sexual or sadistic conduct
    4. The murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation
    5. The murder of a police officer or prison officer in the course of his or her duty, where the offence was committed on or after April 13, 2015
    6. A murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause
    7. A murder by an offender previously convicted of murder
     
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  18. Parmalade

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    Interesting - thanks for that.
     
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  19. infinit

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    It would be abuse of a position of trust though wouldn't it? A Police Officer can exercise their powers and make an arrest while off duty.
     
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    Sentence to be passed at 11.30
     
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