GUILTY UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London, Clapham Common area, 3 Mar 2021 *Life sentence* #16

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  1. CuriousObserver1

    CuriousObserver1 Well-Known Member

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    The Sabina Nessa court case is on this week too, another shocking stranger murder in London being trialled in the same week...he too drove from the South Coast into London to commit a horrific crime, also sounds like he too was not someone people suspected could do such a crime. Both him and WC were caught because of CCTV captured the crime/just before/afterwards, and therefore saving future lives. I know some worry about Big Brother is watching, but I am all for it!
     
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  2. Officer Dibble

    Officer Dibble Well-Known Member

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    That is terrible.
     
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  3. Dotta

    Dotta Well-Known Member

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    Officer Dibble Well-Known Member

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    Maybe men with super small ones do this too - not just performers? I was so naïve when I read about the penis pump and hair ties - I just didn't get the hair ties inference. JMO MOO
     
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    KarenUK Well-Known Member

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    Oh this bloke I know just used to take his clothes off on stage in front of people who paid money to see them strip.... Think of The Full Monty but without the humour! To be honest it's the kind of thing I try not to dwell on, It's not my idea of a good night out
     
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  6. thoughts101

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    It may not always be appropriate for a whole life tariff to apply in all cases of rape and murder. I know that sounds wrong and imbalanced, but the court must be open for assessments to be made. Excessive automatic sentencing may not produce better outcomes anyway and takes all discretion out of the court room.

    I also certainly do not understand long and automatic sentencing, and in addition in the UK, for many offenders, the mandatory term of 30 years imposed for murder is effectively life imprisonment anyway. Society should reserve the whole life term for the very worst of the worst and it's not for everyone.
     
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  7. Whitehall 1212

    Whitehall 1212 Verified Law Enforcement and SAR (UK)

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    I understand why you would ask this. In reality it would not work. As an example I would be one of three officers on night duty in a busy suburban area on the outskirts of a large UK city. I would crew a marked car on my own based on seniority and experience. The double crewed marked car would arrest someone early on in the shift and then have to deal with the prisoner for a number of hours in the custody suite. I am then the only officer covering the area, I am now significantly more vulnerable as I have no back-up available if I'm doing my job and it gets a bit hairy, but there is still a job to be done and a community to protect. Would you rather that I return to the station and do paperwork?

    I don't know of any officer who would want to single crew a car voluntarily.

    Lots of serious questions need to be asked and things need to change of that I am certain but it's important to understand all the pro's and con's of such changes.
     
  8. Mind your biscuits

    Mind your biscuits Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad that he will die in prison, and I'm happy that I don't have to think about him any more.
    Rest easy Sarah, he can't hurt another woman and he won't be getting any hot chocolate and bakewell tarts in prison. Moo.
     
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    kittythehare Well-Known Member

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    With a splint, I assume??
     
  10. Cherwell

    Cherwell Ice Cream

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    Another dishonest headline from the Daily Mail.
    They have simply quoted from Mr Sturman's defence speech. It has no bearing on what he may personally believe.

    I'm sure you know that murder attracts a mandatory life sentence.
    The variations in minimum terms concern the length of time that must be served before the offender is allowed to apply for parole. It is by no means automatic that parole will be granted.
    Even when released on parole, an offender will be returned to prison if s/he offends again.
     
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    I would not be so sure about not getting hot chocolate and Bakewell tart in prison.
     
  12. LucyRocket

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    "I'm sure it said somewhere that before his arrest officers were outside his house for about two hours. Why did they wait so long? At this point there was a possibility Sarah was still alive somewhere. Surely every second could have been crucial in any attempt to find her[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


    I think they were probably keeping eyes on him while they awaited the proper permissions and resources to enter his home and conduct an urgent interview
     
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  13. tedtink

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    Think of it this way, without being jovial in such serious circumstances...........

    Liken 'it' to a balloon - It needs pumping up first, then tying off.
     
  14. thoughts101

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    Good idea although there are already provisions in PACE (police and criminal evidence) statute and guidance about the number of officers on arrest. I think if he had stopped a lawyer instead he might have found it harder to arrest that person off the street, alone and in an unmarked police car while not in police uniform, but many people do not know their rights on arrest, what they should expect and the protections already contained in law. I read PACE with interest myself and would recommend it to all.

    Two officers could also operate together corruptly. Resources may also make a law such as you propose hard to action.
     
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  15. Dotta

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    In nude colour for a girl? Come on...
     
  16. Lubilu

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    I'm so sorry, Amy. That must have been petrifying and I hope your kidnapper got their comeuppance. So much love to you.
     
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    That must have been a very scary situation for you
     
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  18. CuriousObserver1

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    Re an appeal, IMO the police will be flat out now looking for other crimes to be able to convict him before any appeal can happen. They probably may already have things held back as they knew they needed to get the SE one done first.

    If the criminologists are saying that there is a high chance he has committed other similar crimes, then makes sense they would have started investigating all and any possibilities. I hope they go back over all his hire cars and how many miles they did, plus if he has had multiple ferry crossing from Dover - given how quickly he had the prostitute/gang kidnap story ready and was confident to drive so far with a woman handcuffed and visible in his car who knows what else they might find he has done! He could have easily shown his badge and passport and never been at risk of having his vehicle/boot checked at any ports or crossing.

    Horrible as it is, if they find more crimes then at least he will remain locked up despite how many appeals he tries.
     
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  19. Whitehall 1212

    Whitehall 1212 Verified Law Enforcement and SAR (UK)

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    I feel this is taken out of context and Prof Wilson may have qualified it, which the DM didn't report. In terms of destroying forensic evidence it is viable, hence why vehicles used in crime are often set on fire.

    The fact that there was evidence from CCTV, ANPR, WC's movements, WC's locker, house search, internet purchases, store purchases, the timeline, communications data, the vehicles, Sarah's phone, recovery and eye-witnesses somewhat undermined that there may have been no forensic evidence on Sarah's body to link directly to the Evil Lifer.
     
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  20. thoughts101

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    He only has a limited time to appeal (unless extended) and may only appeal against his sentence rather than conviction. I think an appeal would be good for *us* and not him since it would likely embed a precedent. It is valuable for us, not him, the next time a police officer murders someone.
     
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