GUILTY UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London, Clapham Common area, 3 Mar 2021 *Life sentence* #17

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  1. stephaniejanes

    stephaniejanes Well-Known Member

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    No, these are not areas you would see this. There are lots of brothels but not openly on the street. Certainly not in these areas. I suspect he drove those locations because they're where he operated as a diplomatic protection officer, most embassies are in Kensington, Earls Court sort of locale.
     


  2. SaintGertrude

    SaintGertrude Well-Known Member

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    It is worrying that his colleagues even thought he was capable of committing a crime. There were so many red flags including the flashing incidents where he drove half naked in his car.

    Traumatised McDonald's worker reveals how half-naked Wayne Couzens flashed her | Daily Mail Online
    Daily Mail quote "The Met is already being investigated by the police watchdog for its alleged failure to investigate two flashings later attributed to Couzens at a McDonald's in south London three days before he kidnapped, raped and murdered Miss Everard.
    The IOPC is also looking into Kent Police - where Couzens used to work as a volunteer - after it was accused of not investigating reports in 2015 that a man had been spotted driving down a road with no trousers on."
     
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    This article mentions some of his dealings with sex workers but it seems more Kent area.
    Wayne Couzens' fantasist world as married cop 'took prostitutes to B&Bs'
     
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    SaintGertrude Well-Known Member

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  5. Stella123

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    I think someone else had that thought earlier too. Or even worse, getting paid for a video or photos - to clear his debts maybe.
     
  6. Stella123

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    Thank you for pointing that out Lucy.
     
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    Too many of those prisons in the north for my liking!
     
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  8. Stella123

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    Should be made illegal. The gov needs to have accountability for digital media. Not blame it on someone else. Chaos.
     
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    I dislike the use of the term “broad minded adults” as if anyone who objects to commercialised sexual violence is just silly, childish and narrow minded.

    Your whole post sounds like you are trying to defend users of violent porn, and deflect from the fact that it’s mainly men who do it.

    There is a lot of research that porn changes the brain. It is also associated with sex crimes. It is no coincidence that men like WC are often found to have an extreme porn habit. The sexual reward is an extremely strong motivator, but like a drug they need more and more extreme stimulation to get excited.

    There is a huge difference between violent films: (1) violent films are not intended to be masturbated to. (2) No one is really hurt in violent films, whereas porn workers really are penetrated, beaten etc. It is NOT fantasy, AT ALL. (3) the women in porn are often traumatised, physically and psychologically.

    As for your other points, female on female porn is orchestrated by men, for men. (So is women dominating men). As someone who used to be attracted to women, I can assure you that none of us like female on female porn. It is a joke among lesbians. Oh: and the porn actresses are still traumatised by selling their bodies even if they perform with women, or perform by dominating men.

    Women do not have anywhere near the same interest in extreme porn as men do, or in porn in general. I don’t see why “we mustn’t forget” your personal opinion that “women do it too”. Even if we did, why on earth would it be relevant to the point at hand: that extreme porn is associated with male sexual violence? Not that it’s true (that women are just as into extreme porn).

    As for “extreme”, if something is illegal when sex is not involved (eg choking, beating, coercive and controlling behaviour) then it is extreme.

    Lots of people consider the legislation a success.
     
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    Couldn't say this better myself. Thank you.
     
  12. Stella123

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    Agree. It was me who said earlier there should be a crackdown on violent sexual porn (the type mentioned at court). Which is extreme and - well violent. It can be addictive (I believe) and as someone mentioned earlier - sharing on the dark web can be from self made videos of actual abuse.

    It can only help fuel someone who fantasises about carrying out violent rape - and if available, does normalise it.

    “Normal” porn is another issue although a contentious subject and has led to a lot of marriage breakups.

    Probably a big subject with a lot of opinions.

    I just remember a documentary about female porn stars who all thought they were in control but most committed suicide - there was a big list of the ones who’d committed suicide at the end of the documentary.
     
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  13. Stella123

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    Thanks for finding that. It clearly says he hooked up with an escort and took her to a B&B and paid for sex - about a month before he kidnapped SE. And then the flashings. He was out of control - spending money he didn’t have on escorts. Presumably so he could do his “kinky stuff” (re a quote about his handcuffs by some acquaintance earlier - sorry can’t remember which link).
     
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    It keeps making me think of the Boston strangler - don’t know much about it except his wife saw him as a normal family man. So two different personas again.
     
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    I really think the wife is lying, from her YouTube video of him screeching in the background and her children acknowledging his anger like it’s an everyday occurrence. (I wish I could find the video).

    I think he was an angry, controlling dad and husband, and she’s too embarrassed to admit it.
     
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    It may well be that their marriage wasn’t as happy as it could have been and one or other can stray in those circumstances - but having an affair is one thing (disastrous enough) and what WC did is something else. If he was hooking up with prostitutes now and then as well you’d think she’d have sensed something. But she did say she had a very busy life with work and kids. And working overtime is always a good excuse.

    Does seem he’d been building up to something big though and a crying shame it wasn’t spotted earlier.

    Had a chat with our young teen boy tonight - not about misogynism but about safety. He wanted to go out and meet friends outside. And reinforced not to talk to strangers in cars and walk away if someone stopped to talk and even if it’s someone who says they’re police - just phone home.

    When SE was first killed people were talking about educating boys about misogynism - a bit iffy when they are vulnerable themselves. Depends on age I guess.
     
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    I suspect he also trawled these locations because 1) he knew and was comfortable in these areas from his drives to and from Lillie Road, but also because these areas have quite a lot of young women living in them - especially Clapham. Although “the youth” prefer areas of east London now so I am told! But even if he was aware of this it wasn’t his patch. I think he just stuck to roads he knew but also where there were likely to be young single women out on their own. But he would have needed to know his exits, so to speak. Hence the A205/south circular.
    The additional trauma here being that as women we are advised to stick to main roads while out walking on our own as they are perceived to be safer. Ironic huh.
     
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    The Met Police’s official suggestion that lone women who have the audacity to be in public should, if in doubt, “flag down a bus” if they are not sure about the credentials of an apparently arresting officer, is to my mind a new low in my respect for policing since I moved to London some 17 years ago.

    Metropolitan Police: Our response to issues raised by the crimes of Wayne Couzens

    On a practical level, every London-dweller knows buses do not stop outside of designated stops and sometimes don’t even stop there. Quite how random bus drivers are meant to police the police is not clear.

    The problem is not, and has never been, women’s behaviour or reactions to men, but consistently, male violence.

    WC felt emboldened by his previous behaviour going unchallenged. Blah blah “shouldn’t have had the badge” blah blah bad apple blah blah. He had the badge, he had the authority, he used this to rape and murder a member of the public in one of the most terrifying ways I can imagine.

    The Met Police deserves and must experience a HUGE reckoning.
     
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    This is disgraceful the victim blaming here is outrageous how about they start taking reports of flashers more serious who knows maybe Sarah Everard and Libby Squire would still be alive it does not matter what knowledge women are suppose to know about the law people who had a lot of red flags in their past should never have been allowed in a position of authority and join a police force he abused his position and laws to commit this horrible crime
     
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