GUILTY UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London, Clapham Common area, 3 Mar 2021 *Life sentence* #17

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Changing the subject a little on this thread, The Times today has an interview with Katherine Goodwin. It is behind a paywall, but this titbit of information about the investigation stuck out for me -

“At 3pm on Tuesday 9th March there was a breakthrough. CCTV from a bus showed Everard standing next to a white car with the hazard lights flashing”.

So they saw the cctv at 3pm, had forensics on site within about half an hour/40mins and then had police outside his door 2 hrs 45 mins later during which time they identified the car/him/the fact he was a police man and had used the ANPR system to trace the movements of that car down to Kent.

Just shows that while there is all this surveillance technology, it still requires painstaking hours of human interpretation of that technology to analyse and make sense of it. But thank god they did.

Sarah Everard murder: How Wayne Couzens was caught in a vast web of security cameras.

Sarah Everard murder: How Wayne Couzens was caught in a vast web of security cameras | News | The Times
 

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If flashers are dealt with promptly and seriously - what do they do with them? A court decision to order therapy or something? Would that work?

Firstly we need much tougher sentences. After they’re released give them a severe amount of monitoring by tag and lots of conditions. They shouldn’t be allowed enter parks or even go out after dark for a very long time.
 
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yeah the escort was from a big website where you can just put your preferences in and it will bring up loads of different women, all sorts on there
What were his preferences, I wonder?
 

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Changing the subject a little on this thread, The Times today has an interview with Katherine Goodwin. It is behind a paywall, but this titbit of information about the investigation stuck out for me -

“At 3pm on Tuesday 9th March there was a breakthrough. CCTV from a bus showed Everard standing next to a white car with the hazard lights flashing”.

So they saw the cctv at 3pm, had forensics on site within about half an hour/40mins and then had police outside his door 2 hrs 45 mins later during which time they identified the car/him/the fact he was a police man and had used the ANPR system to trace the movements of that car down to Kent.

Just shows that while there is all this surveillance technology, it still requires painstaking hours of human interpretation of that technology to analyse and make sense of it. But thank god they did.

Sarah Everard murder: How Wayne Couzens was caught in a vast web of security cameras.

Sarah Everard murder: How Wayne Couzens was caught in a vast web of security cameras | News | The Times
Taken down by a woman!
Now, isnt it karma? :)
 

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Firstly we need much tougher sentences. After they’re released give them a severe amount of monitoring by tag and lots of conditions. They shouldn’t be allowed enter parks or even go out after dark for a very long time.

This is very thorny territory. I share everybody's concerns about these matters, but I'm not sure about punishing people for crimes they might [or might not] do. It's venturing into Minority Report's world.
 

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I was wondering about his brother too. A tough time for him and especially being in the Police too - he might feel it rubs off on him too - being related. I am sure they are giving him support. But it makes you wonder if he knew more about his history than others. Probably not. No idea what my sister got up to in her youth!
Very difficult I imagine, the name Couzens is dirt now
 

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This is very thorny territory. I share everybody's concerns about these matters, but I'm not sure about punishing people for crimes they might [or might not] do. It's venturing into Minority Report's world.


Why should someone who has been caught and charged with flashing or other sexual offences not be under restrictions such as not entering public parks or being tagged once released for prison?
This could show both the offender and the public how seriously the offence is taken.
 

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This is very thorny territory. I share everybody's concerns about these matters, but I'm not sure about punishing people for crimes they might [or might not] do. It's venturing into Minority Report's world.

I think the point is, this is the proposed follow up for someone arrrsted for flashing so appropriate monitoring. Also maybe putting them on the sex offenders register. However if it is actually a compulsion they can’t control I do think they should be referred to a psychologist. But can you imagine the cost and resources if this is a common incident? Hence gov avoiding the expensive solution and making noise about men in general (along with women’s groups).
 

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Changing the subject a little on this thread, The Times today has an interview with Katherine Goodwin. It is behind a paywall, but this titbit of information about the investigation stuck out for me -

“At 3pm on Tuesday 9th March there was a breakthrough. CCTV from a bus showed Everard standing next to a white car with the hazard lights flashing”.

So they saw the cctv at 3pm, had forensics on site within about half an hour/40mins and then had police outside his door 2 hrs 45 mins later during which time they identified the car/him/the fact he was a police man and had used the ANPR system to trace the movements of that car down to Kent.

Just shows that while there is all this surveillance technology, it still requires painstaking hours of human interpretation of that technology to analyse and make sense of it. But thank god they did.

Sarah Everard murder: How Wayne Couzens was caught in a vast web of security cameras.

Sarah Everard murder: How Wayne Couzens was caught in a vast web of security cameras | News | The Times

Poynders rd forensics was widely publicised abd that no doubt alerted WC they may be on to him as well. They moved quickly but maybe it should have been emphasised they hoped he might make a move or she might still be alive.
 

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It's clear that this person is not fit to be in the role they have. Its also an absolutely ridiculous statement at ANY time never mind when things are so sensitive.

The simple fact is the police can arrest you under 'suspicion' of having committed a crime whether you have actually done anything or not. Refusal is likely to turn the situation confrontational and end in you being handcuffed and restrained.

The power imbalance in these situations is vast and the person being challenged/arrested has no control and that is why the police have to do everything they can to ensure that the people given such power are fit to have it.

In relation to Sarah we still have no idea what actually unfolded when she was stopped. Did he use covid regulations (could that imply he followed her for a long time) or he could easily have threatened her that if she resisted or made a scene then he would kill her
 

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Why should someone who has been caught and charged with flashing or other sexual offences not be under restrictions such as not entering public parks or being tagged once released for prison?
This could show both the offender and the public how seriously the offence is taken.
I like it.
Why the hell not?
 

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I was trying to think why he would have wiped his phone on that particular day, at that particular time, but I remember that afternoon we were all watching the live reporting of police cordoning off and forensically processing the street corner where he had parked up on the pavement.


On March 9 at 3pm they got the breakthrough, receiving footage from a bus showing Miss Everard with a male figure standing by a white car with the hazard lights flashing.

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Police arrived at Couzens' home at 5.45pm but did not arrest him for a further two hours. This allowed Couzens, who may have spotted plain-clothes officers nearby, to wipe his phone at 7.11pm.

Yesterday, Miss Goodwin defended delaying the arrest until 7.45pm saying colleagues had only known his name for a matter of hours and were still tracing the hire car movements to determine what happened.


Detective describes her horror on learning Sarah Everard's murderer Wayne Couzens was an officer | Daily Mail Online



This was our timeline:

3:53pm – Police start searching drains in Poynders Road. Two police officers with dogs search outside nearby Oaklands Estate and gardens in surrounding streets.

4:30pm – Police cordon off a new crime scene outside Poynders Court, a block of flats on Poynders Road-side. A forensics team shows up in a van. The cordon extends for about 100 metres from Rodenhurst Road to Cavendish Road. There is an inner cordon around a parking area to the front and side of Poynders Court and a small communal garden area adjacent, on the corner of Rodenhurst Rd. Traffic is blocked in all directions. Forensics officers appear to wait for dark before searching the road and pavement and a bin area of Poynders Court with UV lamps, place down markers, and are seen photographing a drain and kerb. A sniffer dog is also used. (MyLondon photographs - kerb/road/drain, and sniffer dog) One (possibly uncorroborated) report in MyLondon suggests that one of the flats in the block was also of interest - "Officers were deployed to a block of flats in Clapham on Tuesday, with one property being of particular interest. A large police cordon was visible outside the complex near to the A205 while specialists combed the flat for evidence." (SOURCE). And "MyLondon understands a particular flat within the building formed the focus of the search." (SOURCE).

5:05pm – Police issue two photographs of Sarah (not from the night she went missing) one depicting her wearing the turquoise jacket she was last seen in and the other depicting her wearing a red waterproof jacket. (The Sainsbury’s CCTV image previously released showed Sarah’s face was mostly concealed by a facemask). Police say “we have committed significant resources to this investigation, with assistance coming from across the Met. I want to remain clear that at this time we have no information to suggest that Sarah has come to any harm and we retain an open mind as to the circumstances.” (SOURCE Met Police. Note - Met Police links have since been removed. The MPS announcement was reported by Express and Star here.)

8:00pm – approx. The accused and a female in her thirties are arrested at their home in Freemen's Way, Deal, Kent, the time taken from an infographic published in the Irish Sun. The Telegraph reports that the arrests were made at 8:30pm. The Daily Mail reports that the woman is aged 39. A neighbour relayed that when police arrived at the house in Freemen's Way there was some shouting and someone threw something out of a window. Police then examined the ground at the front with a torch. (SOURCE KentLive). Police are understood to have taken a memory card as part of their investigation. Detectives are said to have found the micro SD card during a search of the semi-detached property. (SOURCE Daily Mail). “it was suggested last night that plain clothes officers may have been secretly monitoring the suspect's movements for days.” “Events moved quickly on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning. Neighbours noticed a Land Rover parked close to [the accused's] house in the Kent coastal town of Deal, and thought it was being watched. Then around 9pm, some two dozen police swooped.” (SOURCE Daily Mail)


8:30pm – approx. Forensics officers have left the cordoned-off scene at Poynders Court. Police in forensic suits undertake a fingertip search of the grassy corner of Rodenhurst Rd. (SOURCE MyLondon. Photographs here)
 

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This is very thorny territory. I share everybody's concerns about these matters, but I'm not sure about punishing people for crimes they might [or might not] do. It's venturing into Minority Report's world.

I specifically meant this for convicted flashers. They’ve already proven they can’t keep it in their pants so I feel they shouldn’t be allowed walk the streets completely unmonitored.
 

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I was wondering about his brother too. A tough time for him and especially being in the Police too - he might feel it rubs off on him too - being related. I am sure they are giving him support. But it makes you wonder if he knew more about his history than others. Probably not. No idea what my sister got up to in her youth!

Ah wow, had no idea his brother is a police officer too. Yikes. WC has ruined the lives of so many, I feel sorry for his family as well having this attached to them forever.

On another note, the Met police 'advice' from yesterday and the victim blaming from the Crime Commissioner makes me so impossibly angry. They need to take a hard look at their part in this - why did they have an officer in their ranks openly referred to as 'the rapist'? Why was an officer of theirs being investigated for indecent exposure not suspended immediately?? I know if someone did that in my workplace they would be, and we're not in positions of power and trust like a police officer is!
 

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They need to take a hard look at their part in this - why did they have an officer in their ranks openly referred to as 'the rapist'? Why was an officer of theirs being investigated for indecent exposure not suspended immediately?? I know if someone did that in my workplace they would be, and we're not in positions of power and trust like a police officer is!
It wasn’t met colleagues who referred to WC as the rapist it was his civil nuclear defence colleagues many years ago.
 

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I wonder if it really matters if sb "wipes" a phone or computer hard disc.
Data can be retrieved by specialists.
Nothing can really be deleted for good.
 
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