Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #10

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  1. Cannycat

    Cannycat Well-Known Member

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    yes unmarked police cars do have flashing lights and are usually switched on when following a dangerous driver, and in my experience tend to be dark cars JMO
     
  2. asyousay

    asyousay Well-Known Member

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    Apart from so much can go wrong with this plan. As a woman If I see two car doors open then I’m crossing over the road before I get anywhere near that car as it’s totally suspicious.

    Also your way means she has a chance to struggled and scream which straight away alerts anybody in the vicinity.

    This guy isn’t moronic as he had rented a car for this purpose.

    MOO
     
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  3. davidattenborough

    davidattenborough Well-Known Member

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    The charge sheet doesn't make any mention of using fraud to get her into the car. It specifically states she was forced.
     
  4. NottReds50

    NottReds50 Well-Known Member

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    They didn't say it was

    "A post-mortem examination has taken place but no cause of death was given in court."
     
  5. arrogantcat

    arrogantcat Well-Known Member

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    I’m talking trends here, not individual cases. Of course women can commit violent crimes too. But statistically, it’s MUCH more likely to be a man.
    A 10 second google search brought me this:

    2011 arrest data from the FBI:[52]

    • Males constituted 98.9% of those arrested for forcible rape[52]
    • Males constituted 87.9% of those arrested for robbery[52]
    • Males constituted 85.0% of those arrested for burglary[52]
    • Males constituted 83.0% of those arrested for arson.[52]
    • Males constituted 81.7% of those arrested for vandalism.[52]
    • Males constituted 81.5% of those arrested for motor-vehicle theft.[52]
    • Males constituted 79.7% of those arrested for offenses against family and children.[52]
    • Males constituted 77.8% of those arrested for aggravated assault[52]
     
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    Kids left about 10.10,he left about 10.30,wife left about 15 minutes after that, sorry catching up with thread I had that coffee
     
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  7. Cannycat

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    Have the autopsy results been released? If not how do you know they don’t know how she died?
     
  8. PleasantMess

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    For some jobs you would call in sick each day. Or maybe he left work early on 2nd through illness and didn't have another shift until 5th, so he called in again then. Moo
     
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    There was a case in in Ireland where a girl was kidnapped and murdered, Jastine Valdez was her name, and she was bundled into a car at the side of the road. So it can happen
     
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  10. davidattenborough

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    Yes, it must be - but I'm a man, so I wouldn't know. This is just what women have relayed to me.
     
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    Thanks for noting, had misread the post to which i responded, forget the fraud part of my post, i still imagine that scenario at this time.
     
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    His charge sheet alleges he "unlawfully and by force took or carried away Sarah Everard against her will". He also faces a charge of murder.
    Police officer accused of abducting and murdering Sarah Everard appears in court
     
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    It's also possible that he had stopped by the kerb without any premeditation as he was "having a problem", and that SE opened the door out of concern/compassion having no inkling about the "too far gone"ness of his state of mind. He might be in some state of delusion and something terrible happens immediately. He has to get out his side of the car to shut the other door, leaving his door open. Just a possibility, not saying I actually believe this. There's just too much open to speculation, I'm not even sure I should have written this reply !!
     
  14. MancGuy Uk

    MancGuy Uk Well-Known Member

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    IMO - or as S E was walking past the car W C got out of the car by passenger side jumped behind her grabbed her from behind put his hand over her mouth opened his driving side door put S E in the passenger seat handcuffed her, then turned her phone off or destroyed it? then shut the car doors quickly then drove off ?
     
  15. Alethea

    Alethea Verified Attorney

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    I don’t think there was any deception. I think he pulled over, opened the passenger door, opened his door, grabbed Sarah (maybe with a knife), and pushed her in the car. A large man can overpower a small woman very easily, whether we like that or not. All he needs is 30 seconds between cars driving by.

    That’s why this is so scary. Because it doesn’t matter how smart or prepared you are if people can get attacked on busy city streets. The COVID arguing is so dumb when it misses the point. London is not supposed to be some dangerous city where people are stolen off the street.
     
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  16. Cannycat

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    with his strength and training I don’t doubt it
     
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    True, but if he threatened her with a knife or some other weapon she may have just cooperated.
     
  18. rhino

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    They were sleuthed in a previous thread and had current tax and MOTs.
     
  19. Urbanfox1

    Urbanfox1 Verified Solicitor (UK)

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    Not sure why CPS didn’t throw in and/or fraud for good measure.... THAT is a good indication IMO that evidence collected at Poynders Court indicated a struggle
    EDIT: this is entirely speculative. Thoughts from criminal lawyers welcomed on the charging formula used.
     
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    First time I’ve posted here, but I’ve been on websleuths since 2017 and haven’t felt the need to post as most of my theories/ questions etc have been answered by others.

    but thought I’d add this into the mix with regard to how WC could have influence as a police officer.

    my SO is in law enforcement and though they are required to leave their jacket, cuffs etc as they go off shift, they do come home in their combat trousers, boots and shirt with or without epaulettes (my SO generally covers this with his own jacket) but it would be quite easy for WC to be identified as a legitimate police officer in his reduced uniform and with aid of his warrant card.

    as has been stated previously, unmarked cars are common here in the UK so it would be understandable that he may have had enough about him visually to give SE cause to pause and hear him out for whatever reason.

    I have been stopped personally to query my activity by police (but in marked cars and uniform) while walking home from the station during Covid. But explained and moved on very easily. I don’t think it’s silly to assume that at that time of night, SE would stop and engage with a perceived PO that questioned her. Though how he would coerce her into the car is a different question. Unless he said something to the effect of “you shouldn’t be walking alone, jump in and I’ll give you a lift home” that wouldn’t be out of sorts, my 3 housemates and I (all of similar age to SE have been offered lifts by police on at least one occasion, granted they were uniformed and in official vehicles)
     
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