Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #14

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  1. Dotta

    Dotta Well-Known Member

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    You are absolutely right! But changes are coming I hope. The women are saying: Enough is enough!
     


  2. infinit

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    Sorry, I saw your other post. I wasn't trying to slight bipolar and not saying I necessarily agree with the way it is! Just that any mental health condition which typically requires lifetime medication doesn't seem to fit with their recruitment policy.

    I'll shut up about this now anyway as focus should be on the case and I don't mean to distract.
     
  3. KatieLH

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    Don't worry, I didn't take it personally! I saw your second post (the one I quoted) and totally understood where you were coming from :) I didn't know that this was part of their recruitment policy so it was interesting to see!
     
  4. Dotta

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    I agree. Besides it is bad taste (for me!!) to give interviews to tabloids in this situation. Silence is golden - for her children she shouldn't draw attention to herself.
     
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  5. Koolkatsandkittens

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    Hmm, that page is quite ambiguous when it comes to bipolar specifically. A lot of bipolar patients are given mood stabilisers such as lithium and/or antipsychotics rather than antidepressants. Though I do agree, it’s a lifelong condition that requires frequent monitoring even during periods of stability. I have bipolar with hypomania and I have to check in with my GP at a minimum every 6 months assuming I’m stable. The DVLA frequently deny and revoke drivers licenses from bipolar people and your first few licenses will be temporary and subject to doctors agreeing you’re fit to drive. It’s a whole ordeal and I’d be surprised to see a police force take on someone diagnosed bipolar. Even the right dose of medication can one day no longer be enough after years of taking it, causing a dangerous episode.

    It’s possible WC has low-level bipolar/cyclothymia and that he managed to function well without being diagnosed. But also based on the interview with one of his school friends he sounds like he’s been a nasty piece of work/psychopath from day 1 - the crimes he’s committed would (IMO) most likely have happened regardless of the extent of his ~possible~ bipolarity.
     
  6. Koolkatsandkittens

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    I dunno, I feel so bad for the woman. She’s apparently been receiving a lot of harassment including death threats. If I were in her position I’d feel desperate to publicly clear my name like that.
     
  7. Newthoughts

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    I agree. They might be after him for money but another girl - no chance. Utter baloney.

    As you say a nice ordinary woman with a job, friends and family would be looked for. As Sarah was. Why would a criminal gang risk the police looking into their whole lucrative criminal enterprise when there are desperately vulnerable women that nobody cares, runaways, addicts and trafficked women in sad abundance.

    That world and those gangs might be brutal and horrible but they're not stupid.

    And I agree that there possibly is a grain of truth is using sex workers - but don't think he's killed before. Tho it would be interesting to hear if he's been violent.
     
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  8. Dotta

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    In my opinion tabloids aren't the right medium of expressing oneself. There will be part of sentencing called Mitigating Factors. And then she can say her part. With dignity. The pics of mother splashed on the front pages of tabloids will not do the children any favours.
     
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  9. Officer Dibble

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    That was my feeling.
     
  10. Lola68

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    His depression may have been undiagnosed, or it could be just his wife's way of describing his mood swings (which don't have to be a mental disorder, he could just be a bit up and down). People often casually say "I'm so depressed" or "I went a bit manic" when neither clinically apply - just normal variations in behaviour. IMO
     
  11. Stella123

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    Glad to see the thread is back open!

    Read a comment somewhere that maybe him pleading Guilty means he can keep all the details to himself - as a control thing.
     
  12. Officer Dibble

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    I totally agree. Its time for a shift-change.
     
  13. Stella123

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    I am also thinking about the timescale. His car was spotted on cameras at 1am at Tilmanstone - which is a few miles off the A2. So presumably he took the A2 route back to Dover. Then turned off towards Tilmanstone - which is right next to Betteshanger Park - one of the locations Police were searching in the woods back in March.

    So he could have committed the rape and murder there - quiet place. Left the body there, secreted gone home took the hire care back 8.30am, picked up his own car the next morning, gone back to move the body, putting it in his own car. Deciding to take it somewhere else. Or - what else? Left the body in the hire car overnight then moved it to his own car next day in daylight? Unlikely.

    It's clear that buying the carpet film and hiring the car were premeditated for the kidnap and rape. IMO But he didn't buy the builders bags, tape etc until after SE was dead - to be able to dispose of the body and any evidence.

    I guess the Police are working on the assumption that if he destroyed the body and disposed of it he must have murdered her (as opposed to some sex trafficking gang murdering her and telling him to dispose of the body) - to cover up his own dna etc. JMO
     
  14. Newthoughts

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    In my opinion most of the British tabloids aren't fit for anything. I guess by being interviewed she's tried to mitigate some of the wilder slanders and accusations they could be printing. But it shouldn't have to be that way.
     
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    You make some interesting points I'd not fully considered before. JMO MOO
     
  16. Loopysnoop

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    I think they said at the Old Bailey today, that at some point during the evening he transferred SE to his own car, somewhere on the Kent coast. I am guessing it was in Dover, as that must be where he parked before picking up the hire car. And as someone earlier in the thread mentioned, they didn't say "her body" in court, so the assumption would be that she was alive at that point.

    I can't imagine that, after going to all the trouble to put that film over the car seats, he would then have driven the hire car into the woods and got mud all over the tyres, which could be traced to that location. He would have been working on the assumption that the hire car had not been captured on camera. The place he stopped to abduct her had no CCTV, it was the chance bus passing that captured the number plate.

    As he owns a plot of land in those woods, having mud on his own car tyres would not be strange - he could just say that he had been visiting the "grave" that was there
     
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    Thank you. It's a fully far-fetched theory, but then this whole event is pretty hard to believe.
     
  18. foxed

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    I remember when the arrest happened, and the neighbour was on here and reported it all going on. Can't go back and find the posts now (way back in another thread) but much of what they said at the time tallies with the detailed The Times report of his arrest, including (iirc) something having been thrown out of the window.

    Horrific. Poor Sarah.
     
  19. infinit

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    Do you think he could know this for certain though? I assume he's stopped at the spot because Sarah was there and if she'd been 200m further up the road he'd have stopped there also. Unless he's canvassed that area and then looped around in circles until he found someone suitable walking alone.
     
  20. JennyJukes

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    Was she alive but unconscious? We know she was on the phone to her boyfriend not long before it happened so had her phone. Did he manage to get her phone from her? Not that he being very careful anyway but wow isn't it risky to drive from London to Kent with an unconscious women in your car?!
     
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