UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

[WestLondoner]

i would love to know what they found out about SLP. AS kept it out of his book, but i have always been curious about what she did.

Me too. I'm curious about what she did that was both so sensitive it couldn't be talked about yet was so unimportant it made no difference to the investigation.

We can infer a bit though, I think. There are clues. In terms of things said, her parents were quite churchy and observed that she "did not live her life as [they] would have done"; AS said the omitted material was "more News of the World"; and all the police would say was that she 'was a modern young woman'.

I think we can eliminate drug dealing or most other forms of crime as too critical a line of inquiry not to have leaked out. Casual drug use seems quite possible though. She smoked cigarettes, so may have smoked other things and this could still be consistent with that police choice of words.

It seems unlikely she was on the game. Someone would have known, it would have leaked, and I doubt the police would have characterised being actually on the game as normal for "a modern young woman".

When the parents tried to protect her "reputation" it seems most likely to me that it was her sexual reputation they meant. If all she had done was sleep successively with each of her blokes in the usual way, the parents would regard that as shameful, but the police might well say it was just "modern" and if that's all she did, AS would hardly have described this as "News of the World" material.

So whatever it was went beyond that. A propos, I note that she was adept at keeping her social contacts segregated, she even had a secret diary nobody knew about, and AS has her either three- or possibly four-timing AL when she disappeared.

Taken together, I would guess that the stuff removed possibly related to prior drug use, perhaps among the QE2 crowd, the wealthy West End crowd or both; and in addition she probably had a body count at the high end of normal, and a rapid turnover.

The police would consider all of that within the normal bounds of modern women's behaviour, it would dismay her parents, AS would agree the combination of it all took it into News of the World territory ("Suzy's sex and drug orgies shame aboard QE2"), and if it came out, it would be adverse to public co-operation. In short it would fit all the hints dropped, and it would suit everyone for it not to emerge.

JMO

 

[Cherwell]

The police would consider all of that within the normal bounds of modern women's behaviour, it would dismay her parents, AS would agree the combination of it all took it into News of the World territory ("Suzy's sex and drug orgies shame aboard QE2"), and if it came out, it would be adverse to public co-operation. In short it would fit all the hints dropped, and it would suit everyone for it not to emerge.

ISTR an anecdote (presumably from the AS book) about her getting very drunk on the QE2 and having to be helped back to her cabin. Whereupon she got up again and went to a man's cabin, stripped off and got into bed with him. I think this was the one who later became a regular boyfriend.

If the parents didn't object to that being in the book, I can't imagine what it was that they did object to.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

i would love to know what they found out about SLP. AS kept it out of his book, but i have always been curious about what she did.

Susannah Lamplugh's initials are SJL.

As you seem to make some effort to repeatedly type SLP even after having been already made aware of this, I'm starting to wonder if you're on an agenda here?

Do you have some purpose to keep distorting the initials? Are you trying to create a link with JC that isn't really there? Can you not acknowledge that this is coming off really badly as it's terribly disrespectful to the victim, her family, her loved ones, all who knew her and even just us lot here?

If you're struggling to get it right then why don't you try using 'Suzy' or 'Susannah' or 'SL' instead of the three letters?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

ISTR an anecdote (presumably from the AS book) about her getting very drunk on the QE2 and having to be helped back to her cabin. Whereupon she got up again and went to a man's cabin, stripped off and got into bed with him. I think this was the one who later became a regular boyfriend.

If the parents didn't object to that being in the book, I can't imagine what it was that they did object to.

I think it could be drug use for the simple fact that back in those days even cannabis use could land you with a criminal record. If she was known for now and then taking coke when offered, her father being a legal man would not have wanted it in the records that she was linked to unlawful class A drug use. Especially as there would always be hope she'd return from 'somewhere' and he wouldn't want her future status to be affected - there's some countries such as the USA where they won't let you in on a travel visa if you're known for drug use.

Maybe she wasn't the sort of person who would have a clue how to buy from an actual drug dealer and therefore the police didn't see how occasional recreational use could be related to her death? JMO MOO just an idea, no evidence of this.

 

[lee sumner]

I think it might well have been possible to repatriate the diary (I’ve done so before by detective work & ringing around, but maybe CV cut to chase by calling her bank). (chequebook with diary).

The police gave up halfway through checking out the owners of the very definitive BMW seem in Shorrolds too, age/class etc, lack of resources I think.

IMO what was ‘kept back’ & the diary didn’t point directly to numerous lovers.

AS didn’t give any specific details.

maybe SLP had a threesome when working on the QE2. was it something sexual that AS kept out of his book.

 

[WestLondoner]

maybe SLP had a threesome when working on the QE2. was it something sexual that AS kept out of his book.

see post #723

 

[lee sumner]

Susannah Lamplugh's initials are SJL.

As you seem to make some effort to repeatedly type SLP even after having been already made aware of this, I'm starting to wonder if you're on an agenda here?

Do you have some purpose to keep distorting the initials? Are you trying to create a link with JC that isn't really there? Can you not acknowledge that this is coming off really badly as it's terribly disrespectful to the victim, her family, her loved ones, all who knew her and even just us lot here?

If you're struggling to get it right then why don't you try using 'Suzy' or 'Susannah' or 'SL' instead of the three let

 

[lee sumner]

No, it doesn't. Her name was Susanna Jane Lamplugh.

i know her name, but SLP also fits in my opinion.

 

[lee sumner]

SJL it is from now on.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

i know her name, but SLP also fits in my opinion.

Are you saying that you refuse to use the correct initials of the victim and are replacing them with other initials that are not hers? I am very confused and I think this needs to be a matter to refer to admin for consideration as something does seem right about that JMO MOO.

ETA: Apologies, just saw further to post saying you will use SJL from now on. JMO but I think that is the right thing to do.

 

[Cherwell]

i know her name, but SLP also fits in my opinion.

Where are you getting the P from?
None of her names begin with P, and any other random letter in a name is not an initial.

 

[lee sumner]

AL's role in this as a muddier-of-the-waters is quite pronounced I think. If we assume CV is clean and is reliable when he said he found the stuff on the Sunday, then one of AL's accounts can't be true because he gave two that differ, one to the documentary and another to DV. He told the plod he has SJL had a good relationship but she wanted to end it and pointedly gave him the cold shoulder all weekend. This is notable on the Sunday when he followed her to the coast and she then went back to town without him. I don't get how they were speaking on the phone on Sunday night about some event on Tuesday when they had had all day Sunday to do that.

it does seem strange they would make arrangements over the phone when they had all day sunday to do that. maybe AL is telling his version of events which are BS. if SL wanted to end the relationship with AL why would she make a date with him on tuesday.

 

[lee sumner]

DV is sceptical of the reliability of this account because the witness took several weeks to come forward with it and then apparently added nothing that he could not have seen in the TV reconstruction.

I'm a bit sceptical of the 37SR sightings generally because you only ever hear the one where it's Cannan outside at 1pm and QED. In the various TV documentaries you never hear it mentioned that she might not even have taken the keys; that she left no trace of having been inside; that other witnesses gave different descriptions; that HR later ID'ed a 45 year old man as the late-20s-ish Mr Kipper; that several of the supposed "corroborating" witnesses actually undermine the 1pm sighting by seeing something different perhaps as late as 4pm; that several other sightings in 37SR are never explained, such as the two white Fiestas seen or the two men seen waiting in a dark car (JC and JT?).

Interestingly, DV and the police agree that BW's sighting at 2.45pm didn't happen and she got the day wrong, but for different reasons - DV thinks SJL was already dead at the PoW by that time, while the police preferred to believe WJ who said the car was in Stevenage Road at that time, not in FPR.

Of all the sightings, I personally reckon only BW's is accurate. SJL possibly met someone at 37SR, but never went inside and was instead persuaded to drive someone elsewhere. The logistics and car management required for this suggest to me that any Mr Kipper had an accomplice.

when you look at the logistics of an abduction/kidnapping. it would not be easy to pull off.

 

[Pinkizzy]

when you look at the logistics of an abduction/kidnapping. it would not be easy to pull off.

Someone heard a scream on Stevenage Rd, the abduction may have happened there before a house viewing.

 

[WestLondoner]

it does seem strange they would make arrangements over the phone when they had all day sunday to do that. maybe AL is telling his version of events which are BS. if SL wanted to end the relationship with AL why would she make a date with him on tuesday.

Exactly so. His version at the time was that he didn't see her on Friday or Saturday. On Sunday she went to the beach without him and he followed, and that evening she drove back without him, and again he followed. She stopped at her mother's en route, then went home, and either there or elsewhere (PoW?), supposedly there was a call to arrange Tuesday. He's been away for 2 weeks or whatever and all he gets is a phone call? I'd have been all over her like a rash. They'd had all day to talk, and pre mobile phones, how did they know where to reach one another? Nah. She ghosted him all weekend because he'd been chucked.

This timetable does incidentally blow up any suggestion that the mysterious female caller to the PoW on Monday was DL. MG rang her on Monday to ask if DL had seen SJL, and she said not since yesterday - which would be before SJL knew that's where her diary would turn up. So she can't have told her mother she was going to the pub because she didn't yet know that herself.

when you look at the logistics of an abduction/kidnapping. it would not be easy to pull off.

No, indeed, and where it gets tricky IMO is with the car movements. If we go with the JC / BMW theory for argument's sake, he arrives at 37SR in it, 2 hours later he's about with SJL in her Fiesta, 2 hours after that her car's dumped at 123SR, and in between times - with MG turning up there - he's somehow retrieved this BMW from outside 37SR without being seen again.

UK - UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

i would love to know what they found out about SLP. AS kept it out of his book, but i have always been curious about what she did. Me too. I'm curious about what she did that was both so sensitive it couldn't be talked about yet was so unimportant it made no difference to the investigation. We...

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Someone heard a scream on Stevenage Rd, the abduction may have happened there before a house viewing.

Did we ever find out what time that was? I am wondering if her car ended up outside 123SR because he asked to be dropped back there where his car was.

 

[Pinkizzy]

I'm interested in the couple seen on Stevenage Rd and in Bishops Park. When did these sightings occur?

 

[Terryb808]

it does seem strange they would make arrangements over the phone when they had all day sunday to do that. maybe AL is telling his version of events which are BS. if SL wanted to end the relationship with AL why would she make a date with him on tuesday.

I think AL was saving face with his story, she’d given him the elbow on Friday and he still followed her to the coast.
The call was most likely to make sure he got the point load and clear.
That’s why it was made from the PoW call box and not from the flat.
Just my opinion.

 

[WestLondoner]

I think AL was saving face with his story, she’d given him the elbow on Friday and he still followed her to the coast.
The call was most likely to make sure he got the point load and clear.
That’s why it was made from the PoW call box and not from the flat.
Just my opinion.

This would also then make CV's subsequent account of where and when he found her stuff accurate: by the outside tables next to the call box, and on Sunday.

The supposed visit on Friday seems to have been fabricated with the alleged lurking presence of JC there a further fabrication.

 

[Terryb808]

This would also then make CV's subsequent account of where and when he found her stuff accurate: by the outside tables next to the call box, and on Sunday.

The supposed visit on Friday seems to have been fabricated with the alleged lurking presence of JC there a further fabrication.

There are two intriguing points about SJL’s visit to her parents on Sunday evening:

1. She outlined the joint house buying deal to her father.
2. If I’m not mistaken she may have also mentioned that someone was applying pressure. The business partner maybe?

The other point of concern is the male that she found to be somewhat scary, this would fit JC?

There are other males that just may have been the business partner.

At this point we have:
1. Disgruntled business partner.
2. Rejected lovers x 2.
3. Random encounter in the PoW.

So no shortage of options.

 

[lee sumner]

Where are you getting the P from?
None of her names begin with P, and any other random letter in a name is not an initial.

shirley banks number plate JC fitted to car is probably why i put SLP, instead of SJL.