UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #6

[Terryb808]

In the case of someone coming forward after 38 years it’s not going to be anyone pointing the finger at JC.
It would have to be a person who has been above suspicion all this time.

 

[Terryb808]

I know this is contentious, however, it was mentioned recently. The possibility of suicide, we generally only have the picture of Suzy Lamplugh that her mother has painted.
Yes I know the river Thames was searched at the time. But, in the Nicola Bully case that was completed by both the police & a so called specialists team. In both cases they initially found nothing.
Since 1986 we’ve come a long way with regard to our search techniques, so it’s conceivable that back in 86 Suzy was missed during the search.
Because Suzy was a very private individual we have absolutely no idea what her mental state was at the time.
It’s possible we’re all looking for a perpetrator that just doesn’t exist.

 

[WestLondoner]

possible FAQ sections? If we can nail down what ought to be covered we can fill in the detail later

Suzy Lamplugh
Who was Suzy Lamplugh?

The disappearance
What are the known facts about the day she disappeared?

The investigation
What is the evidence there was a real appointment?
Is there evidence she was at 37SR?
Do the witness sightings agree or conflict?
What is the evidence there was an actual Mr Kipper?
Where and when was her car seen that day?
Did SJL go somewhere other than to a viewing appointment?
Where else was SJL seen that day?

The hypotheses
Abduction / murder

• Following visit to 37SR
• From elsewhere
• The PoW

Suicide
Deliberate disappearance

The suspects
In 1986
John Cannan
John West
Steve Wright

Non-suspect but interesting persons
KH
DH
PSS/TS
AL

The role of the family
DL interventions - misleading photos, insistence upon JC

 

[su5ie]

possible FAQ sections? If we can nail down what ought to be covered we can fill in the detail later

Suzy Lamplugh
Who was Suzy Lamplugh?

The disappearance
What are the known facts about the day she disappeared?

The investigation
What is the evidence there was a real appointment?
Is there evidence she was at 37SR?
Do the witness sightings agree or conflict?
What is the evidence there was an actual Mr Kipper?
Where and when was her car seen that day?
Did SJL go somewhere other than to a viewing appointment?
Where else was SJL seen that day?

The hypotheses
Abduction / murder

• Following visit to 37SR
• From elsewhere
• The PoW

Suicide
Deliberate disappearance

The suspects
In 1986
John Cannan
John West
Steve Wright

Non-suspect but interesting persons
KH
DH
PSS/TS
AL

The role of the family
DL interventions - misleading photos, insistence upon JC

I would add Sturgis staff to interesting persons if only as a starting point regarding last proof of life and the heated argument in the office that morning and also that the intitial investigation and subsequental ones took for granted that suzy left the office at 12.40 .I feel this should not be ruled in as absolute fact as there is not one bona-fide shred of evidence to corroborate she did . And before posters come at me people have been known to collude in murder cases .

Does anyone think suzy could have went for a walk along the Thames that day and accidentally fell in

 

[su5ie]

In the case of someone coming forward after 38 years it’s not going to be anyone pointing the finger at JC.
It would have to be a person who has been above suspicion all this time.

I feel anyone connected to the case either suspect ,friend ,investigation team from 1986 ,work colleagues etc will be mostly dead in 10 years time so prehaps a reopening of it in the future with no pollution. It may throw up something that was missed and as no one can be offended mistakes made can more easily be spoken about I do think with the complexity of suzys life the investigation team really limited themselves in progressing forward by focusing on one suspect and not opening up to other possibilities. Tbh JC doesn't seem like the confiding type

 

[Cherwell]

I would add Sturgis staff to interesting persons if only as a starting point regarding last proof of life and the heated argument in the office that morning

Who said there was a "heated" argument?

I feel anyone connected to the case either suspect ,friend ,investigation team from 1986 ,work colleagues etc will be mostly dead in 10 years time

Suzy herself would only have been in her 70s in ten years time.

 

[su5ie]

Who said there was a "heated" argument?


Suzy herself would only have been in her 70s in ten years time.

I've posted previously of the argument that morning in Sturgis and it was noted because it was very intense It was with NH who was in a four year relationship with SF it is I think quoted in either As or DV book it was in regards to the sale of a house and suzy lost the commission and sale to NH

On a personal note I do not post information about anything not contained in threads already nor do I post made up outlandish claims. I have posted links to anything I do come across . I don't want to be the cause of the thread going around in circles .I welcome challenges to my posts and feel its part of any healthy discussion but picking holes in my posts that I or other posters have previously answered , queried or linked is not helping .
My suggestion that in 10 years time that a lot of people connected to the original case may be dead was only hypothetically speaking as not all connected to the case were in there 20' s in 1986 so for example SIO , detectives, JC ,older colleagues of suzy's that are in their late 60s early 70s now and friends ,witnesses whom were older than suzy at the time I stated 'most of " not 'all '.
I understand we all have a passion for a resolution to this case that's why we are here . I respect you and that you want to ensure only facts are included but please return the favour thank you

 

[Cherwell]

I've posted previously of the argument that morning in Sturgis and it was noted because it was very intense It was with NH who was in a four year relationship with SF it is I think quoted in either As or DV book it was in regards to the sale of a house and suzy lost the commission and sale to NH

Thank you. I think it makes a big difference whether this was reported by AS or by DV.

 

[Cherwell]

possible FAQ sections? If we can nail down what ought to be covered we can fill in the detail later

The origin of the drawing of "Mr Kipper". Based on whose description(s)?

 

[su5ie]

I have seen articles with comments suggesting Suzy had her flat up for sale and possibly going into business with someone else This article in crime guy Paul Dettham a commentor suggests suzy was starting either an estate agency or beauty business. Vastly different things imo but has anyone seen a reliable source for this business plan .I'm not quoting this as a reliable source of information i was just curious.

In Detail: Suzy Lamplugh #1

Suzy Lamplugh has not been seen since she left her office in Fulham at lunchtime on 28th July 1986. It seems highly unlikely now that she went to meet a buyer at 37 Shorrolds Road.

www.crimeguy.com

 

[WestLondoner]

Good point. There were two Mr Kipper pictures that don't look similar. One of the things that irks me about the TV and newspaper rehashes of this case is the discrepancies and innuendoes that are glossed over. We're always told there were "descriptions" or "sightings" (plural), but the fact that one of the witnesses wasn't sure whether he saw Mr Kipper at 12pm or 4pm is never mentioned. The claim that the sketch supposedly looks like Cannan is never accompanied by the admission that in that case, the e-fit does not. Maybe 'discrepancies among witnesses' would be a worthwhile section.

'Trial by insinuation' might be another, with the completely unfounded links to the HSFR mentioned. The issue with all this stuff is that if a piece of evidence did now come to light pinning this on Cannan, he'd have an excellent chance of dodging justice by pointing out that 25 years of innuendo has ensured he'll not get a fair trial.

 

[WestLondoner]

I have seen articles with comments suggesting Suzy had her flat up for sale and possibly going into business with someone else This article in crime guy Paul Dettham a commentor suggests suzy was starting either an estate agency or beauty business. Vastly different things imo but has anyone seen a reliable source for this business plan .I'm not quoting this as a reliable source of information i was just curious.

In Detail: Suzy Lamplugh #1

Suzy Lamplugh has not been seen since she left her office in Fulham at lunchtime on 28th July 1986. It seems highly unlikely now that she went to meet a buyer at 37 Shorrolds Road.

www.crimeguy.com

At one point she was going to go into business with PSS, her apparently rich friend, as co-owner of a spa / beautician / poodle parlour for bored, monied women. Money had been spent on premises by TS, PSS' husband, but SJL started to get cold feet, apparently because as the one who'd been a beautician before, she would be going back to doing the facials, waxing etc, which wasn't what she wanted.

PSS' husband went bankrupt 8 days after SJL disappeared.

She had apparently said to family and others just before she disappeared that someone was pressuring her over a deal, and she didn't like it. This is often taken to mean Cannan was doing this as he posed as a businessman, or that some mysterious other person she was involved with in something shady was getting aggressive. It could just as easily, however, have been a reference to TS getting a bit nervous over the money he'd sunk as bankruptcy loomed. In that case, this remark of hers is a red herring, and doesn't need a lot of attention because we know who the person and what the project was.

 

[Cherwell]

We know that later that afternoon MG, Suzy's boss, went to 37 Shorrolds Road with one of the women from the office (sorry, I can't remember who) to see if Suzy was there. People are likely to have seen them and may have described them thinking they were being helpful. I can see a lot of scope for confusion there.

 

[Cherwell]

By the way, there are currently some copies of the Andrew Stephen book on Ebay for under a fiver.

 

[su5ie]

We know that later that afternoon MG, Suzy's boss, went to 37 Shorrolds Road with one of the women from the office (sorry, I can't remember who) to see if Suzy was there. People are likely to have seen them and may have described them thinking they were being helpful. I can see a lot of scope for confusion there.

I think it was SF who went with MG

 

[WestLondoner]

We know that later that afternoon MG, Suzy's boss, went to 37 Shorrolds Road with one of the women from the office (sorry, I can't remember who) to see if Suzy was there. People are likely to have seen them and may have described them thinking they were being helpful. I can see a lot of scope for confusion there.

I think this describes the later visits. The guy who wasn't sure when between 12 and 4pm he saw "Mr Kipper" and blonde was probably describing MG there later with a female colleague. This then gets conflated with the dodgy HR sighting as "corroboration" when in fact it was someone else altogether.

 

[su5ie]

At one point she was going to go into business with PSS, her apparently rich friend, as co-owner of a spa / beautician / poodle parlour for bored, monied women. Money had been spent on premises by TS, PSS' husband, but SJL started to get cold feet, apparently because as the one who'd been a beautician before, she would be going back to doing the facials, waxing etc, which wasn't what she wanted.

PSS' husband went bankrupt 8 days after SJL disappeared.

She had apparently said to family and others just before she disappeared that someone was pressuring her over a deal, and she didn't like it. This is often taken to mean Cannan was doing this as he posed as a businessman, or that some mysterious other person she was involved with in something shady was getting aggressive. It could just as easily, however, have been a reference to TS getting a bit nervous over the money he'd sunk as bankruptcy loomed. In that case, this remark of hers is a red herring, and doesn't need a lot of attention because we know who the person and what the project was.

And is this the same pss that doesn't use her celebrity status to highlight suzys case

 

[su5ie]

I think this describes the later visits. The guy who wasn't sure when between 12 and 4pm he saw "Mr Kipper" and blonde was probably describing MG there later with a female colleague. This then gets conflated with the dodgy HR sighting as "corroboration" when in fact it was someone else altogether.

As you rightly say HR was deemed a highly unreliable witness and feel he was describing SF and MG'S visit to look for suzy . Did PSS and male friend confirm they also visited 37SR that day or is that just SM rumour

 

[Terryb808]

As you rightly say HR was deemed a highly unreliable witness and feel he was describing SF and MG'S visit to look for suzy . Did PSS and male friend confirm they also visited 37SR that day or is that just SM rumour

Just a rumour AFAIK.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yes i guess it will be case closed, unless any new information comes to light.

If ever the DNA from the smudged fingerprint finally does reveal a profile, what would they do if it didn't belong to JC? What if it turned out to belong to a friend or a work colleague of Suzy's?

I'm sure if there's been failures or corruption, they'll wait until every single person who originally worked on this case is long since retired and securely drawing their pension (if not actually dead) before the truth of a catalogue of errors is revealed. JMO MOO