GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #5
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gregjrichards
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I don't think it will be anything like that much they are very very lenient in the UK not like the US which is a disgrace. Life should mean life. I think he will get maybe 20 years and serve less. He will have to go in witness protection though when he gets out because he would get street justice.
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He will get a life sentence.
The only variation is in the length of time the judge decides he must serve before he can apply for parole. There is no guarantee that parole will be granted on the first application, or ever.
The only variation is in the length of time the judge decides he must serve before he can apply for parole. There is no guarantee that parole will be granted on the first application, or ever.
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He will be out in 15.
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Ian Huntley got a minimum of 40 years. I'm hoping this will be similar. Not all sentences are super lenient here.
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What makes you say that?
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There was so much evidence against him already that I'm assuming he changed his plea so the family didn't have to hear what other depraved and perverted things he did to Tia - not because he gave a crap, but because extra evidence would have shown him to be more sick than anyone already thought. Love his lie about 'sparing' Tia's family from any more suffering. What a joke. I think he thinks if he says something, it becomes the 'truth'.
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@RachelCroydonAd:
Hazell sentencing about to start; court filling up #tiasharp
Hazell is in the dock and being watched very closely by all in public gallery #tiasharp
He is sitting down with his head bowed #tiasharp
@SkyFixerJim:
Back in court 2 Old Bailey where the sentencing process will begin shortly for Stuart Hazell, killer of 12 year old Tia Sharp. #tiasharp
Hazell's defence have submitted a psychiatric report to the judge for him to consider as background. Silence as the judge leafs through it.
Hazell in the dock wearing what appears to be the same grey t-shirt he's worn throughout. He also wears glasses and a beaded necklace.
Hazell appears to have put weight on while on remand. If anything he looks a little healthier than before his arrest last summer. #tiasharp
Edis QC is now rounding up what would have been the rest of his prosecution case. Hazell's browser history, showing visits to paedophile..
..websites and the dating of the various images that were found on his phone. He does not go into detail here.
Edis: murder cases are always serious... But this is a small category of those that are very serious indeed.
Edis: this was the murder of a child involving sexual motivation. He suggests this would mean a 30 year starting point for sentence.
Edis QC: a "whole life" starting point would apply in cases of a sexual motivation.
Stuart Hazell sits staring at his feet as the prosecutor and the judge discuss what should be the starting point for his sentence.
They are discussing sentences given in previous, similar cases. "30 years starting point" keeps coming up. #tiasharp
Stuart Hazell will turn 38 on the 26th of May.
Edis QC is now talking about "aggravating factors"; taking a photo of Tia's naked body after he had killed her, being one.
The "carefully organised" concealment of her body being another. Going on TV to proclaim his innocence, yet another.
Edis QC: we may never know exactly what happened to Tia, but there is evidence to support theory she suffered a very serious sexual attack.
Edis reminds the judge that the pathologist during his evidence said he could not exclude the possibility of a very serious sexual assault.
Edis: It is clear that he committed a significant sexual offence against her, killed her and took that picture as some sort of keepsake.
The jury's work is done in this case. They're under no obligation to remain in court. All 12 have decided to stay however.
Victim impact statement now from Tia's mother. I've lost my trust in everyone. It's hard for me to imagine she's really gone.
Tia's mother: Tia was my mums life. Tia loved to be with my mum. When the trial is done, it's all over for everyone else. It won't be for us
I have so many questions for Stuart. I want meet him. Sometimes I feel pity. Sometimes I want to hurt him.
The court hears Hazell has convictions going back as far as 1991. He has no convictions for sexual offences for serious violence.
Most of his convictions concern burglary, theft. There was also one for racially aggravated assault. Another for drugs supply.
Also sentenced to 12 months after he was caught with a machete. #tiasharp
One of the jurors was quietly crying as she listened to the victim impact statements.
Break for lunch. Will continue with Hazell's lawyer giving mitigation for his client at 1405.
Hazell sentencing about to start; court filling up #tiasharp
Hazell is in the dock and being watched very closely by all in public gallery #tiasharp
He is sitting down with his head bowed #tiasharp
@SkyFixerJim:
Back in court 2 Old Bailey where the sentencing process will begin shortly for Stuart Hazell, killer of 12 year old Tia Sharp. #tiasharp
Hazell's defence have submitted a psychiatric report to the judge for him to consider as background. Silence as the judge leafs through it.
Hazell in the dock wearing what appears to be the same grey t-shirt he's worn throughout. He also wears glasses and a beaded necklace.
Hazell appears to have put weight on while on remand. If anything he looks a little healthier than before his arrest last summer. #tiasharp
Edis QC is now rounding up what would have been the rest of his prosecution case. Hazell's browser history, showing visits to paedophile..
..websites and the dating of the various images that were found on his phone. He does not go into detail here.
Edis: murder cases are always serious... But this is a small category of those that are very serious indeed.
Edis: this was the murder of a child involving sexual motivation. He suggests this would mean a 30 year starting point for sentence.
Edis QC: a "whole life" starting point would apply in cases of a sexual motivation.
Stuart Hazell sits staring at his feet as the prosecutor and the judge discuss what should be the starting point for his sentence.
They are discussing sentences given in previous, similar cases. "30 years starting point" keeps coming up. #tiasharp
Stuart Hazell will turn 38 on the 26th of May.
Edis QC is now talking about "aggravating factors"; taking a photo of Tia's naked body after he had killed her, being one.
The "carefully organised" concealment of her body being another. Going on TV to proclaim his innocence, yet another.
Edis QC: we may never know exactly what happened to Tia, but there is evidence to support theory she suffered a very serious sexual attack.
Edis reminds the judge that the pathologist during his evidence said he could not exclude the possibility of a very serious sexual assault.
Edis: It is clear that he committed a significant sexual offence against her, killed her and took that picture as some sort of keepsake.
The jury's work is done in this case. They're under no obligation to remain in court. All 12 have decided to stay however.
Victim impact statement now from Tia's mother. I've lost my trust in everyone. It's hard for me to imagine she's really gone.
Tia's mother: Tia was my mums life. Tia loved to be with my mum. When the trial is done, it's all over for everyone else. It won't be for us
I have so many questions for Stuart. I want meet him. Sometimes I feel pity. Sometimes I want to hurt him.
The court hears Hazell has convictions going back as far as 1991. He has no convictions for sexual offences for serious violence.
Most of his convictions concern burglary, theft. There was also one for racially aggravated assault. Another for drugs supply.
Also sentenced to 12 months after he was caught with a machete. #tiasharp
One of the jurors was quietly crying as she listened to the victim impact statements.
Break for lunch. Will continue with Hazell's lawyer giving mitigation for his client at 1405.
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BIB
I think it was simply to ensure no one else heard what he did.
I dont believe he cares at all about her family, just wants to protect himself inside and the evidence against him is bad enough already, without more being revealed
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ITA, the less the people already inside know what he's done, the better his time inside will go for him.
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I wonder whatever possessed him to plead not guilty in the first place. He must have known the kind of evidence that would come out.
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The vile stuff that's come out already will ensure his time inside is awful. It does make me wonder just how much worse the other forensic evidence could be.
I really really hope they do have 30 years as a starting point as they said earlier.
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@SkyFixerJim:
Pre sentencing legal argument resumes in the case of Stuart Hazell, who today admitted killing 12 year old Tia Sharp. #tia
Lord Carlisle: making mitigating comments for the like of Stuart Hazell is one of the hardest things we have to do. But also one of the..
...most important. We do not seek to reduce or trivialise the seriousness of this crime. #tiasharp
Carlisle QC: Hazell knows he is going to spend decades in prison.
Lord Carlisle QC: he did not embark to kill for sexual or sadistic motivation. He did not set out to kill her at the start of that evening.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile says horrific photo shown to court was not taken after Tia died #tiasharp
Carlile: Not enough evidence to know exactly what happened in lead up to murder #tiasharp
Carlile said he did not want his submission to take away from seriousness of killing or to trivialise it #tiasharp
Carlile: Christine Bicknell emphasised strength of Tia's relationship with Hazell #tiasharp
Tia's family did not raise concerns about Hazell, says Carlile #tiasharp
Carlile: No evidence to say Hazell groomed Tia #tiasharp
Carlile: Hazell searched for 'incest' and 'naked little girlies' but we don't know what he clicked on #tiasharp
Carlile: we know Hazell had a sexual interest in young girls and girls in glasses from his web browsing. But Tia was happy being around him.
Carlile QC: one of the sad truths in this case is that he probably did love Tia. And certainly did love Christine (Tia's grandmother).
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile: Tia wanted to stay at the house. Any sexual interest in Tia was recent #tiasharp
Carlile: Its fair to say Hazell loved Tia and Bicknell was only woman he ever loved #tiasharp
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile QC: Hazell had very little contact with his biological mother. His father was in prison. He was placed in care at a very young age.
Hazell's mother was a prostitute. His first conviction came at 14. He claims to have been raped in a homeless hostel at the age of 16.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile: All to typical in sex abuse cases where defendant has had very poor upbringing. Hazell v little contact with mum, he put in care
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile: Hazell's life changed when he met Christine. He has a history of depression, self harm, suicide attempts.
Carlile: He became alcohol dependent having been a drinker since the age of 13.
Carlile: every adverb and adjective of abuse and vilification will be used about Hazell until their use is exhausted.
Carlile: every day of his sentence is going to be a punishment for him. He will be in constant danger.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Psychiatrist said Hazell did not have mental health issues but 'poor coping skills' due to alcohol and drug abuse #tiasharp
@skymartinbrunt:
#tiasharp Det Ch Insp Nick Scola said: "Hazell is an extremely dangerous individual who poses a significant threat to young girls."
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile: Hazell's decision to plead guilty comes from remorse. It's possibly the only brave decision he's made in his life.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile: His background no excuse but offers mitigation for sentencing. He will return to prison a marked man, every day will be severe
Carlile: guilty plea shows surprising remorse. #tiasharp
Carlile: Hazell has extraordinary capacity to live through lies he has made up. Guilty plea the bravest decision he has ever made#tiasharp
Carlile: Guilty plea is his first sign of remorse #tiasharp
Carlile says killing falls into minimum 30 years not longer category #tiasharp
Carlie: absolutely no evidence Hazell set out to kill Tia #tiasharp
This is not a case for a whole life tarif, says Carlile #tiasharp
Lord Carlile has finished his submission #tiasharp
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile now disputing the cases that Edis QC used this morning as comparable for sentencing purposes. There was no pre-meditation he says.
Carlile stresses that the guilty plea was Hazell's own decision. "Enough was enough." #tiasharp
The 12 members of the jury are still in court and paying close attention to all that is being said, despite the fact their work is done.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Edis making point that evidence shows that Tia was dead when Hazell took horrific picture of her #tiasharp
Pre sentencing legal argument resumes in the case of Stuart Hazell, who today admitted killing 12 year old Tia Sharp. #tia
Lord Carlisle: making mitigating comments for the like of Stuart Hazell is one of the hardest things we have to do. But also one of the..
...most important. We do not seek to reduce or trivialise the seriousness of this crime. #tiasharp
Carlisle QC: Hazell knows he is going to spend decades in prison.
Lord Carlisle QC: he did not embark to kill for sexual or sadistic motivation. He did not set out to kill her at the start of that evening.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile says horrific photo shown to court was not taken after Tia died #tiasharp
Carlile: Not enough evidence to know exactly what happened in lead up to murder #tiasharp
Carlile said he did not want his submission to take away from seriousness of killing or to trivialise it #tiasharp
Carlile: Christine Bicknell emphasised strength of Tia's relationship with Hazell #tiasharp
Tia's family did not raise concerns about Hazell, says Carlile #tiasharp
Carlile: No evidence to say Hazell groomed Tia #tiasharp
Carlile: Hazell searched for 'incest' and 'naked little girlies' but we don't know what he clicked on #tiasharp
Carlile: we know Hazell had a sexual interest in young girls and girls in glasses from his web browsing. But Tia was happy being around him.
Carlile QC: one of the sad truths in this case is that he probably did love Tia. And certainly did love Christine (Tia's grandmother).
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile: Tia wanted to stay at the house. Any sexual interest in Tia was recent #tiasharp
Carlile: Its fair to say Hazell loved Tia and Bicknell was only woman he ever loved #tiasharp
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile QC: Hazell had very little contact with his biological mother. His father was in prison. He was placed in care at a very young age.
Hazell's mother was a prostitute. His first conviction came at 14. He claims to have been raped in a homeless hostel at the age of 16.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile: All to typical in sex abuse cases where defendant has had very poor upbringing. Hazell v little contact with mum, he put in care
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile: Hazell's life changed when he met Christine. He has a history of depression, self harm, suicide attempts.
Carlile: He became alcohol dependent having been a drinker since the age of 13.
Carlile: every adverb and adjective of abuse and vilification will be used about Hazell until their use is exhausted.
Carlile: every day of his sentence is going to be a punishment for him. He will be in constant danger.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Psychiatrist said Hazell did not have mental health issues but 'poor coping skills' due to alcohol and drug abuse #tiasharp
@skymartinbrunt:
#tiasharp Det Ch Insp Nick Scola said: "Hazell is an extremely dangerous individual who poses a significant threat to young girls."
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile: Hazell's decision to plead guilty comes from remorse. It's possibly the only brave decision he's made in his life.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Carlile: His background no excuse but offers mitigation for sentencing. He will return to prison a marked man, every day will be severe
Carlile: guilty plea shows surprising remorse. #tiasharp
Carlile: Hazell has extraordinary capacity to live through lies he has made up. Guilty plea the bravest decision he has ever made#tiasharp
Carlile: Guilty plea is his first sign of remorse #tiasharp
Carlile says killing falls into minimum 30 years not longer category #tiasharp
Carlie: absolutely no evidence Hazell set out to kill Tia #tiasharp
This is not a case for a whole life tarif, says Carlile #tiasharp
Lord Carlile has finished his submission #tiasharp
@SkyFixerJim:
Carlile now disputing the cases that Edis QC used this morning as comparable for sentencing purposes. There was no pre-meditation he says.
Carlile stresses that the guilty plea was Hazell's own decision. "Enough was enough." #tiasharp
The 12 members of the jury are still in court and paying close attention to all that is being said, despite the fact their work is done.
@RachelCroydonAd:
Edis making point that evidence shows that Tia was dead when Hazell took horrific picture of her #tiasharp
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Section of Tia's mum's impact statement (Tweeted by @skymartinbrunt but it was originally upside-down and mirrored):
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@SkyFixerJim:
The judge has to decide on the underlying motive for the murder. Did it start out as sexual? Carlile makes it clear his client isn't going..
..into the witness box to help clear things up.
The judge will sentence tomorrow morning at 1030.
All eyes on Hazell in the public gallery as he's taken down from the dock. Nothing said but the mood is obvious.
We'll hear live for the police, CPS and Tia's father Steven Carter at 1530. Live on @SkyNews
The judge has to decide on the underlying motive for the murder. Did it start out as sexual? Carlile makes it clear his client isn't going..
..into the witness box to help clear things up.
The judge will sentence tomorrow morning at 1030.
All eyes on Hazell in the public gallery as he's taken down from the dock. Nothing said but the mood is obvious.
We'll hear live for the police, CPS and Tia's father Steven Carter at 1530. Live on @SkyNews
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I don't buy Carlile's claim that Hazell has shown remorse by pleading guilty. It's pretty clear there was more disgusting evidence to be heard and Hazell didn't want to run that risk. He has the chance to 'clear things up' in the witness box but his defence has said he definitely won't be doing that. What can he clear up? What can he excuse? Nothing. He'd be torn to shreds in the witness box so spare me the remorseful plea. Hazell does what he thinks is best for himself. Git.
Tia's fingerprints were found on his glasses showing that she must have tried to fight back - but he chose to kill her anyway. It was a calculated choice to kill her because to let her live would have meant her telling what he'd subjected her to, and he couldn't afford for the truth to come out. As for Carlile saying that 'yes' he was viewing child *advertiser censored*, but we 'don't know what he clicked on'... oh, come on!! He was looking for pics of young girls in glasses performing pornographic acts, so it's damn obvious where his sexual interests lay.
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What? In what respect did Hazell 'probably' love Tia? When he was secretly filming her putting lotion on her legs? When he was in her room taking secret photos of her as she lay sleeping? When he was searching child *advertiser censored* sites for young girls committing sexual acts that looked like Tia? After he murdered her and took a sick obscene photo of her for his own sexual gratification? After he shoved her in the loft to rot? After he gave that speech about 'hand on heart, Tia walked out of my house that day?'
I honestly do not understand this Carlile at ALL. How can he make such a claim that Hazell 'probably' loved Tia in the face of the disgusting evidence her family have had to hear? That's 'probably' love?? Oh my God.
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That's a defence lawyer for you. He doesn't want an appeal coming out of the weeds in the future saying he didn't used everything to mitigate for his client.