UT UT – UP9872, Cauca/Male, Coal Car, Price, Carbon Co, 20 Sep 78

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  1. folieadeuxnola

    folieadeuxnola Miami-Dade Jane Doe - 1979

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    Carbon County, Coal Car John Doe

    Date Discovered: Wednesday, September 20th, 1978
    Discovery Location: Price, Carbon County, Utah


    Physical Description:
    Race: Caucasian
    Sex: Male
    Age: 50-55 years old
    Height: 5’5” (65”)
    Weight: 158 lbs.
    Hair: Partially gray, short

    Eye Color:
    Clothing:

    Misc. Items: Backpack, bottle of Byron Ditton lotion, County Steel Liquor Store book of matches (Lincoln, Nebraska), Westgate Bank book of matches (Lincoln, Nebraska), empty vodka bottle from Utah State Liquor store, prescription eyeglasses, eye glass case B Botions Sullivan Union National Building (Wichita, Kansas)
    Jewelry:
    Characteristics/Medical/Scars: Burn scar on right thigh, Tattoo; right arm snake, right forearm “Dorothy Jan 8, 1950”, right forearm dagger, chest (2) daggers
    Condition of Remain: Not recognizable

    Transportation:
    Postmortem Interval: Days
    Estimated Year of Death: 1978
    Fingerprint Status: Available (Elsewhere)
    Dental Status: Not Available
    DNA Status: Not Available

    Circumstances:
    A moderately decomposed male was found at the bottom of a coal car at Banning Coal Landing 17 miles east of Price, UT. The coal car had traveled from Grand Island, Nebraska on Sept 9th and traveled through Salt Lake City and Helper before arriving in Carbon County on Sept 18th.

    Based on the items found with the man it is presumed that he had been in Lincoln, Nebraska and Wichita, Kansas sometime prior to his death.

    Investigating Agencies:
    Carbon County Sheriff’s Office
    751 E 100 N
    Price, UT 84501
    Contact: David Brewer
    UID Case # 197800841A
    Web: Carbon County Utah > Administration > Public Safety

    Information Sources:
    NAMUS
    MP Case # UP9872: Unidentified Person Case
    Case Manager: Dustin Driscoll
    Tele: 817.240.4106
    E-Mail: dustin.driscoll@unthsc.edu
     
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  2. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    If he was at the older end of the estimated age range he'd have been born around 1923, so could have served in WWII. If at the younger end, he'd have been born c1928 so might well have served in Korea. It would be useful to know if the snake and dagger tattoos had any military significance.

    The "Dorothy Jan 8, 1950" tattoo seems likely to commemorate either his wedding or the birth of a daughter.
     
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  3. folieadeuxnola

    folieadeuxnola Miami-Dade Jane Doe - 1979

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    The Dorothy tattoo is an excellent clue, could possibly a daughter know a couple of people with their children's names and birth dates and death date. Looked around there are a lot of Dorothy's born that date it would take some time to sift through
     
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    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    There were almost 75,000 Dorothy's born in the US during the 1950s.

    Top names of the 1950s

    That theoretically means 7,500 per year and 20 per day. If there was a publicly accessible central database that would be very manageable.

    Assuming it was a daughter's birth of course. It could be a marriage.
     
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  5. folieadeuxnola

    folieadeuxnola Miami-Dade Jane Doe - 1979

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    Lightly breezed through ancestry and yes indeed their were many Dorothy's born on that date. It could be a date of birth/death for a daughter, wife, mother (death) or even a wedding date several variable possibilities. It's a date and name that would take a lotc of time and work to sleuth out but probably worth vesting into.
     
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    I bet Dorothy was a popular name during this time. And this man's possibly from Kansas. Good luck.
     
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  7. rats

    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    Wow, nice sleuthing to find them folie! It would take so much work... I wonder if they would eventually get lucky with an avid genealogist or family tree that they stumbled upon?
     

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