Found Deceased UT-5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley Found Deceased (UNCLE ARRESTED) #3

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  1. alwaysonmymind

    alwaysonmymind Well-Known Member

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    Thank you and everyone else for posting the photos and details of the case. I have the attention span of a gnat and don’t contribute much.

    I’ve been trying to figure out why his attorneys name sounded familiar. Mr Demler represented one of the teenage boys who shot a female classmate in the back & head and left her to die.
     
  2. Waterdog

    Waterdog Well-Known Member

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    I noticed this too. You can see the progression.
     
  3. fraudqueen

    fraudqueen Senior Highway Safety Specialist/Fraud Detection

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    If Utah is like Florida, he's not going on death row so he'll be put in general population where he will be killed. And that's the good news, if there is any.
     
  4. whatsherface

    whatsherface Well-Known Member

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    Sorry I didn’t quote or reply on this but I was just thinking about it. I think he did the licking of the hands crap so he could get the insanity plea idea out there.
     
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  5. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    He had access to mental health treatment, but he stopped attending his court ordered substance abuse treatment. If a client in drug court classes appears to need more intensive treatment, he/she is offered services. In Salt Lake City, it is usually services from Valley Mental Health, that has comprehensive services for mentally ill, and substance abuse treatment. I am not sure of the providers in Cache Valley, but it is fairly similar.

    AW made his own choices.

    And because of Utah State University located in Logan, there are many graduate students in counseling, social work, doing internships and practicum hours, under a licensed provider. Logan probably has more access to mental health treatment for free per a person, than many other cities that size in the United States.
     
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  6. Stunned

    Stunned Well-Known Member

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    I hate liking this. But I agree.
     
  7. in search of

    in search of Well-Known Member

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    That is what he should have done.
     
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    It's about to get a whole lot more miserable. Hopefully.
     
  10. Bugurl747

    Bugurl747 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting, because I thought it was a last desperate attempt to conceal evidence which proved competence to me.

    MOO
     
  11. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    To me, ES bed located next to mom's bedroom door reads more like close proximity -- like she could see her if door was open. I don't believe ES slept in parent's bedroom. MOO
     
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  12. mrsselig

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    Ugh, heartbreaking, but I knew in my gut from the first post, that this is where we were headed. :( I don't understand. I don't understand blaming drugs, alcohol, blackouts. . . . I mostly keep company with healthy/wholesome people but I've known a couple of alcoholics, and one drug addict/alcoholic. They had plenty of blackouts. They have to date, never murdered anyone, let alone a small, helpless child.

    He is a monster. There is no excuse for his behavior, his murder of this child. I don't care about any of his possible defenses - low IQ. Addiction. Bad childhood. *rolls eyes* Ok I'll need to stay quiet - but - while I'm proud that WS is a victim friendly site - this particular monster is not a victim. So I think I can say that I hope he receives a punishment that is sufficient to his monstrous actions. A little tiny girl. I have two daughters. I can't imagine staying out of prison if anyone had done something even close like this, to one of my beloved daughters. I'd be locked up, for sure - for assault of a monster.
     
  13. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Yes, if he hated his life before, where he had family and freedom. let him see what lies ahead.
    He walked everywhere, now he will walk around his cell, and contemplate WHY.
    Soon, I think, we'll have a report, that indicates, he did not handle this.
    MOO.
     
  14. Stunned

    Stunned Well-Known Member

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    His face is not pot and alcohol. It IS mental illness.
     
  15. Knox

    Knox #justiceforMoni ~

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    That's very comforting. I followed a case years ago, the parent of the murdered child posted your same thought. Every day during the trial she would visualize her child surrounded by angels. It got her through some of the ugliness and heartbreak. I'll have to see if her FB posts are still up on the page.
     
  16. whatsherface

    whatsherface Well-Known Member

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    Dbm. Duplicate :)
     
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  17. Pootie

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    Can someone please post a link to the "report"/Charging documents? I've seen them referenced here several times, but I'm unable to find them.
     
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  18. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    And that's what LE thought as well -- AW was trying to wipe his hands clean so they re-cuffed him to preserve any evidence. MOO
     
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  19. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    That is what the detective thought as well, and put the cuffs back on.
     
  20. Stunned

    Stunned Well-Known Member

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    And kept walking.
     
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